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    Re: It's easy to see why Cleveland hates us.



    From John Clayton's article on the Browns today:

    "Over the past four years, the Browns are 0-16 against home teams with winning records. League-wide, teams were 24-97 last season on the road against winning teams. "

    Man, that's just kinda sad.




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    Re: It's easy to see why Cleveland hates us.

    You made me google Clayton's article and it's actually a pretty good overview. Expects them to win 6 or 7 at best and explains why.

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    Re: It's easy to see why Cleveland hates us.

    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    I don't much care for the above. Your average Cleveland fan wasn't thinking that much about it, and it wasn't the considerations of those fans which put Modell into a squeeze. That was mostly Modell.

    There isn't a single thing you said there which couldn't be (and largely has been) applied to Baltimore fans in the '90s. The politicians crapped on the Colts well before Irsay came along. They were second-fiddle in Memorial Stadium to the Orioles. They couldn't get a stadium deal worked out for a new stadium. Heck, they couldn't even get an equal distribution of Memorial Stadium concession revenues at Colts games.

    Irsay did have legitimate grievances. That doesn't excuse him being a drunken bastard who lied his ass off throughout the moving process or for taking the name, colours, and history with him, but he did have legitimate gripes with the state and city governments. The fans weren't the cause of the gripes. They were just the victims.
    Not quite, the Baltimore city council matched the Indy deal dollar for dollar and guaranteed him the same money Indy did.




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    Re: It's easy to see why Cleveland hates us.

    Quote Originally Posted by saintmatthew View Post
    From John Clayton's article on the Browns today:

    "Over the past four years, the Browns are 0-16 against home teams with winning records. League-wide, teams were 24-97 last season on the road against winning teams. "

    Man, that's just kinda sad.
    What's really sad is that they've only played 16 road games against winning teams in four years. Somehow, it just sounds like a lot less than what the Ravens have faced.
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    Re: It's easy to see why Cleveland hates us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Not quite, the Baltimore city council matched the Indy deal dollar for dollar and guaranteed him the same money Indy did.
    Yes, after the ship had sailed.

    Rosenbloom had gripes with the stadium situation before he traded the team to Irsay. Irsay inherited those gripes and added his own. His drunken asshole-ness made it even worse.




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    Re: It's easy to see why Cleveland hates us.



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    Re: It's easy to see why Cleveland hates us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    You made me google Clayton's article and it's actually a pretty good overview. Expects them to win 6 or 7 at best and explains why.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp1...ilding-project
    He's hedging his bets at best. With Weeden at QB, this is a 4 to 6 win team. 7 would be outstanding for the Browns roster as it stands IMO. Oh, did I mention 4th place in the AFCN? ... Bc




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    Re: It's easy to see why Cleveland hates us.

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    He's hedging his bets at best. With Weeden at QB, this is a 4 to 6 win team. 7 would be outstanding for the Browns roster as it stands IMO. Oh, did I mention 4th place in the AFCN? ... Bc
    SiriusNFL was at Browns camp yesterday and they pretty much predicted similar results. They only won one road game last year and this year's road schedule is very tough so it's not likely to get much better.

    Interviewing fans was pretty interesting when asking them what would constitute a good year. 8-8 would make most of them happy and splitting with any of the AFCN teams would too. But the most consistent them was stop changing owners, coaches, QBs, defensive schemes, etc. Get some stability.

    They also lost their kicker and punter this year so some of those close losses last year might be... close losses this year
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    Re: It's easy to see why Cleveland hates us.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    What's really sad is that they've only played 16 road games against winning teams in four years. Somehow, it just sounds like a lot less than what the Ravens have faced.
    Consistent 4th place division schedule will do that.




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    Re: It's easy to see why Cleveland hates us.

    http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-su...wns-1052726045

    That's just good stuff right there.

    Poor little Clownfan.




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    Re: It's easy to see why Cleveland hates us.

    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    Yes, after the ship had sailed.

    Rosenbloom had gripes with the stadium situation before he traded the team to Irsay. Irsay inherited those gripes and added his own. His drunken asshole-ness made it even worse.
    The Colts were still here when they matched. That he didn't accept is what prompted the eminent domain effort that caused Irsay to bolt in the night, IIRC.




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