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  1. #25

    Re: Big Ben and Flacco: Through year 6



    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    So?

    The Steelers won that game.

    Against the Patriots during the playoffs a few years ago, Flacco had about the same and the Ravens won.
    True. But roethlisberger also has a career playoff ratio of 20TD:17INT. Not very good.




  2. #26

    Re: Big Ben and Flacco: Through year 6

    This thread is a joke ben couldnt hold Joes jock. Ben has been bailed out by his defense, had elite receivers and he is the reason he takes so many sacks. Worst QB performance ever in a superbowl. enough said, his team won inspite of him

    We rode Joe through the playoffs, we dont win 4 games this year without him. He has had subpar receivers his entire career, horrible playcalling.




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    Re: Big Ben and Flacco: Through year 6

    Quote Originally Posted by esmd View Post
    I think the key thing to point out here is for how similar things are between them, Ben is routinely put in the upper echelon of QB's while many talking heads continually deride Joe. They're both franchise QBs, IMO, and I think any franchise would be happy to have either of them as their QB.

    There's that Baltimore chip on my shoulder again, lol.
    I agree.

    None of it matters.

    All QB's are products of the system in which they play. Look at Peyton and Brady. Those guys have (essentially) been in the same offensive system their entire careers. They're subject matter experts for their offensive design. Kudos to the Patriots and Colts/Broncos for maintaining that level of continuity.

    Flacco is a good, not great, QB. The Ravens can win with him at the helm. He isn't pretty and he may never have the gaudy numbers that a lot of media divas want to discuss, but none of that matters. As long as he does enough to win and win the Ravens more championships, nothing else is even remotely important.
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    Re: Big Ben and Flacco: Through year 6

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    True. But roethlisberger also has a career playoff ratio of 20TD:17INT. Not very good.
    Up until the 2012 playoffs, Joe's wasn't incredible either.


    Context fellas. Context.


    Joe is Baltimore's QB. Nothing is going to change that for the foreseeable future. He is the best QB Baltimore has had since Johnny U was in town.


    Baltimore fans should have zero fucks to give about what other fans think and what the media thinks. As long as Joe continues to help the Ravens win games, what else matters?

    Just look at last year. Completely abysmal, yet the Ravens were 8-8 and were playoff eligible. Joe wasn't great at all last year, but he did enough to help the Ravens stay playoff eligible until the last minute.
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  5. #29

    Re: Big Ben and Flacco: Through year 6

    Imo it seems like people rarely mention how big Ben benefits front the Steelers D but it is always an excuse used for flacco it seems. Its a little hypocritical. Especially when we see their stats are so close.




  6. #30

    Re: Big Ben and Flacco: Through year 6

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    as pointed out prior, to have "comeback" wins and late game heroics means your team was losing and having such a strong defense, more often than not the reason for that is failing as an offense prior to the 4th. I dont see that as a very meaningful stat eventhough Joe himself has plenty of those types of wins.

    That perceived advantage as well as his intangibles as far as elusiveness to extend plays are really the only thing that he excels at more than Flacco, imo. Flacco has a better arm and is more accurate (though comp % wont support that). Reading defenses I think they were and still are very similar. BR may actually be a little worse at holding onto the ball too long, but his ability to escape comes into play at that point and masks his fault in that area.
    4th quarter comeback is a definately an important statistic and deservedly so. Who cares how the team was performing prior to the comeback? The goal is to win, something that comeback wins lead to.




  7. #31

    Re: Big Ben and Flacco: Through year 6

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Up until the 2012 playoffs, Joe's wasn't incredible either.


    Context fellas. Context.


    Joe is Baltimore's QB. Nothing is going to change that for the foreseeable future. He is the best QB Baltimore has had since Johnny U was in town.


    Baltimore fans should have zero fucks to give about what other fans think and what the media thinks. As long as Joe continues to help the Ravens win games, what else matters?

    Just look at last year. Completely abysmal, yet the Ravens were 8-8 and were playoff eligible. Joe wasn't great at all last year, but he did enough to help the Ravens stay playoff eligible until the last minute.
    Fine. But now people can see how similar the career arcs are and have a rebuttal when the topic arises.

    Information never hurt anyone.




  8. #32

    Re: Big Ben and Flacco: Through year 6

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    4th quarter comeback is a definately an important statistic and deservedly so. Who cares how the team was performing prior to the comeback? The goal is to win, something that comeback wins lead to.
    what if the QB threw 3 picks, putting their team in a losing position, and their D then gets a turnover and the RB runs 3 times to get to FG range. That would count as a 4QC. That a QB technically would be credited for. Not all 4QCs are created equal.




  9. #33

    Re: Big Ben and Flacco: Through year 6

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Up until the 2012 playoffs, Joe's wasn't incredible either.


    Context fellas. Context.


    Joe is Baltimore's QB. Nothing is going to change that for the foreseeable future. He is the best QB Baltimore has had since Johnny U was in town.


    Baltimore fans should have zero fucks to give about what other fans think and what the media thinks. As long as Joe continues to help the Ravens win games, what else matters?

    Just look at last year. Completely abysmal, yet the Ravens were 8-8 and were playoff eligible. Joe wasn't great at all last year, but he did enough to help the Ravens stay playoff eligible until the last minute.

    And, IMO, its reasonable to think that if he doesn't get hurt against the Lions then they probably make it in.




  10. #34

    Re: Big Ben and Flacco: Through year 6

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    4th quarter comeback is a definately an important statistic and deservedly so. Who cares how the team was performing prior to the comeback? The goal is to win, something that comeback wins lead to.
    The point is i wouldnt call them greater than a non-comeback win. Wins isnt a great argument for QBs in general imo. way too many factors to claim them as the QBs alone. Only reason they have so much emphasis around here is because thats the only thing Flacco has thats tangible in the argument.
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  11. #35

    Re: Big Ben and Flacco: Through year 6

    Quote Originally Posted by goodandfast View Post
    And, IMO, its reasonable to think that if he doesn't get hurt against the Lions then they probably make it in.
    I agree.




  12. #36

    Re: Big Ben and Flacco: Through year 6

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    what if the QB threw 3 picks, putting their team in a losing position, and their D then gets a turnover and the RB runs 3 times to get to FG range. That would count as a 4QC. That a QB technically would be credited for. Not all 4QCs are created equal.
    Now I think you're just splitting hairs. A comeback win is a comeback win. Period.




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