View Poll Results: Pick 17: Lee or Beckham or Cooks

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    11 25.58%
  • Beckham

    26 60.47%
  • Cooks

    6 13.95%
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  1. #1

    Gun to your head WR scenario



    Watkins and Evans are long gone.
    The 1st rd OT's are gone.
    The 1st rd S's are gone.

    You can't trade back.

    Stuck at 17.

    But there are a few "top 20" WRs left:

    Marqise Lee

    OR

    Odell Beckham

    OR

    Brandin Cooks



    You have to pick one. None will be available later.

    Who do you pick and why?




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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    if I had to pick a WR, Beckham. He seems to have the most refinement of the three. Cooks will be dynamic, but isn't going to fit well as an outside WR. I've never been high on Marqise Lee, but he certainly has the size of a #1, but I think he's a more boom/bust style pick.

    Honestly though, in that scenario if Martin is gone along with Lewan, Matthews, Robinson. That means SOMEONE of HUGE value is falling to our pick. Either a CB or Ebron or LB that I'd take...or trade the pick.
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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    I've seen "reports" that a few teams have Beckham as their #2 WR overall.

    I started this draft process wanting Lee. Then I kind of got on the Matthews and Landry train. But in the course of looking at Landry I looked at Beckham too.

    Then the combine happened. I guess the only surprising things were Landry bombing and MAtthews being faster than expected. But I've seen people say Matthews doesn't play that fast, and the passes he caught in college are not very pro-like.

    So then I circled back to Lee instead of Beckham because I think Beckham is kind of redundant to Jacoby and Torrey. Not that that is a bad thing. I just like some diversity.

    Given Kubiak's offense, it seems the two guys outside are the primary breadwinners outside the TEs.

    So I think a guy that can play outside (but also come inside) is where we need to go.

    So that leads me to Lee or Beckham.




  4. #4

    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    Beckham and for me it's easy. The poster above said that he is redundant of Jacoby and Torrey. I, however, think that Beckham is everything those guys are as well as what we all wish they would be: Great contested catchers and great route runners.

    Beckham will be a hell of a receiver in this league.




  5. #5

    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    Beckham! That dude is going to be a stud. If we went with Lee, I think the hope would be that he would turn out as the 2012 Marqise Lee.




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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by landshark52 View Post
    Beckham and for me it's easy. The poster above said that he is redundant of Jacoby and Torrey. I, however, think that Beckham is everything those guys are as well as what we all wish they would be: Great contested catchers and great route runners.

    Beckham will be a hell of a receiver in this league.
    Yes I've heard several say Beckham's hands are much better.

    I also think they are much bigger than Torrey at least.

    10" for Beckham.
    8 5/8" Torrey.
    Can't find Jacoby's hand size.




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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    One thing that keeps me interested in Lee is he was ~top 3 in a lot of the "explosive athlete" tests at the combine: namely vertical and broad jump.

    This wouldn't matter much if there wasn't also film of him catching and running routes. He would just be a combine freak. But he has tape to back up his combine results.

    Not that the other guys don't.

    I am still torn between Lee and Beckham. I have eliminated Cooks because I think we need a guy that can win outside. I know a lot don't want to use 17 for Lee but seem more comfortable using 17 for Beckham.




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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    I'm taking Lee.

    Lee had some injuries this past year, but was healthy at the end and showed it in the bowl game with a stat line of 7 catches 118 yards and 2 TD's. Lee has produced for 3 years at a high level. He also had a less than stellar QB this year. Yet Lee had as many catches as Beckham. Lee has produced against stronger competition than Beckham. Consider the following:
    Beckham was non existant virtually against top competition. His 8TD's this past year (his best statistically) were all against poor teams (UAB-3, Kent State-1, Miss St.-2, Furman-2), 52% of his yards were in those 4 games!

    It is a no brainer to go with Lee over Beckham.

    I didn't originally consider Brandin Cooks, As I feel the bigger and explosive receiver in Lee is a better fit for the Ravens. However Cooks is a game breaker, very productive this past year and decent stats last year also, add in a Beliknekoff award and he had a great season this year. Unfortunately I feel the Beaver offense was one dimensional and inflated his stats. Granted the Oregon St. offense leaned on Cooks heavily that is a plus (go to player).

    It is a close call but I'm leaning towards Lee over Cooks
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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    if I had to pick a WR, Beckham. He seems to have the most refinement of the three. Cooks will be dynamic, but isn't going to fit well as an outside WR. I've never been high on Marqise Lee, but he certainly has the size of a #1, but I think he's a more boom/bust style pick.

    Honestly though, in that scenario if Martin is gone along with Lewan, Matthews, Robinson. That means SOMEONE of HUGE value is falling to our pick. Either a CB or Ebron or LB that I'd take...or trade the pick.
    Yeah, gaming this out, if you have four offensive tackles, two wide receivers, Dix, Pryor, Mack, Barr and Clowney, plus three quarterbacks gone, that's fourteen players. So either Gilbert, Dennard, Donald, or Ebron have to be available at 17, and I'd pick any one of those guys over any of these three receivers.

    I'd pick Beckam out of this trio though, and it's not that close.




  10. #10

    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    Well...Kiper now has the Ravens taking Ellington at #48.

    I have to say...I like the kid ALOT, but at #48???




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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Money227 View Post
    Well...Kiper now has the Ravens taking Ellington at #48.

    I have to say...I like the kid ALOT, but at #48???
    Ugh. So the one GM that Mel trumpets each and every year as being the best value guy in the business makes that pick. It's hard to be consistent on the little things when putting together a mock, but ffs Mel the man isn't suddenly changing his philosophy for 2014
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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Brien Jackson View Post
    Yeah, gaming this out, if you have four offensive tackles, two wide receivers, Dix, Pryor, Mack, Barr and Clowney, plus three quarterbacks gone, that's fourteen players. So either Gilbert, Dennard, Donald, or Ebron have to be available at 17, and I'd pick any one of those guys over any of these three receivers.

    I'd pick Beckam out of this trio though, and it's not that close.
    I made a very similar post early on page 2... The OP got all BUTT HURT because the "premise of the thread" was that you HAD TO TAKE A WR....

    I came to the same conclusion as you. At 17, there is virtually 0 chance I want one of these receivers, but if a gun is literally pressed against my head asking this question, it's Beckham, and not particularly close at that.




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