Is it me?

**Tspot-D-Ravenator** · 10-11-2006, 04:31 PM

Or did Steve McNair look like Kyle Boller in last years Denver Game?? Three INT's and a self induced fumble!!

Don't get me wrong, I think Steve is better and way more advanced than Kyle, but why does he get a mulligan?? I have gotten tired of everyone I here say that they lost it with Boller after last years Denver game

Give the kid a break.....NO MORE BOLLER BASHING PLEASE!!

We are going to need him sometime this year

**ExiledRaven** · 10-11-2006, 04:34 PM

You can flame me, but I think Boller could really break out this year. He played well at the end of the year outside of Cleveland.

Against Denver McNair had plenty of time to make throws. Give Boller time and he'll be able to hit some deep outs and crossing patterns. Maybe I'm optimistic...maybe not. I've not entirely given up on him yet

**highwater** · 10-11-2006, 04:37 PM

McNair has a track record, so a lot of us have given him the benefit of the doubt, but it's been five games now and he has a QB rating of 67. That's pretty bad.

It's not just him, it's the whole offense apparently, but he hasn't improved the passing game like we all thought he would. We still have eight defenders in the box to stop the run.

Better playcalling might help. How about throwing deep once in a while?

**RavenTD** · 10-11-2006, 04:44 PM

I pray McNair can pull it together.And start clicking with his wr's & TE's.
We are due a little bit of luck at the QB position you would think.

**FHRaven** · 10-11-2006, 05:14 PM

I posted this in the QB forum but Boller played better than McNair did when looking at the 2 Denver games.

Of course, in neither case did the Ravens score more than 10 points.

FHRaven

**ravenjoe** · 10-11-2006, 05:42 PM

Gentlemen, please; the Ravens are 4-1 With Mcnair at the helm! Without him, they'd be 2-3, at best! Steve is a proven winner (as demonstrated by our record), and Sunshine is still learning the rudimentary skills of being a winning QB. No disrespect intended; but I do not believe that Sunshine will ever be a successful winning QB, who can take this team to the promised land.

**Mista T** · 10-11-2006, 06:10 PM

Gentlemen, please; the Ravens are 4-1 With Mcnair at the helm! Without him, they'd be 2-3, at best!

Oh give me a break!

We are 4-1 solely because of an outstanding defense and Stover. McNair has been been a major disappointment. His two game winning drives obscured two straight games of 57 minutes of mediocrity. Otherwise, he has been average or below average.

Anthony Wright's and Kyle Boller's performances last season were as good or better.

**RavenTD** · 10-11-2006, 06:16 PM

4-1 with the way our offense is playing,can quite easily slip away to a losing record when playing tougher opponents,with attacking/scheming Head Coaches.

Nothing we say is going to change anything.We are just venting our worries on a messageboard.

**FHRaven** · 10-11-2006, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by ravenjoe

Gentlemen, please; the Ravens are 4-1 With Mcnair at the helm! Without him, they'd be 2-3, at best! Steve is a proven winner (as demonstrated by our record), and Sunshine is still learning the rudimentary skills of being a winning QB. No disrespect intended; but I do not believe that Sunshine will ever be a successful winning QB, who can take this team to the promised land.

I guess if the defense can shutout each opponent McNair can "lead" us to the SB.

FHRaven

**darb72** · 10-11-2006, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by ravenjoe

Gentlemen, please; the Ravens are 4-1 With Mcnair at the helm! Without him, they'd be 2-3, at best!

Prove it.

Seriously. You stated something as a fact and now you have to defend it.

So get to proving your statement Slick.

**ladyraven127** · 10-11-2006, 06:43 PM

Be nice darb

Don't call people names.

**darb72** · 10-11-2006, 06:51 PM

Yes ma'am.

**ladyraven127** · 10-11-2006, 07:01 PM

Golly . . . this reminds me of the good old days when people actually listened to me

**StingerNLG** · 10-11-2006, 07:40 PM

No disrespect intended; but I do not believe that Sunshine will ever be a successful winning QB

First, don't say "no disrespect", then call Boller a name. That's pretty hypocritical.

Second, please explain again how a QB with a winning record and a 12-4 home record is considered not a winning QB? If you want to get on him for the mistakes he's made, fine. Other than that, you're statement is factually wrong.

**PARavensJeff** · 10-11-2006, 09:40 PM

After his 1st 5 games, , I thought McNair had received 5 more mulligans than Kyle did in 3 years. All I have heard on WBAL or WNST is, "We wouldn't be 4-1 if Kyle was playing." I am sick of hearing it. People said we would have never won against CLE or SD without McNair, but yet they have no fact that can prove that. I am a Boller fan, the kid is tough & has never hidden from the media no matter how bad the game, unlike some of his superstar teammates in this town. I like McNair & was glad to see him come to town. But outside of the drive to open the season & the 2 comebacks, he hasn't shown much. I want McNair to succeed & I want Boller to learn from him. 1 day, Boller will not be here & will get in a system that is QB friendly & will be successful. Everyone will wonder why we let him go.

**duffybr** · 10-11-2006, 11:16 PM

I think the pass protection has improved this year even though the run blocking has deteriorated. Kyle might have more success behind this line. I think we will find out because McNair is taking 2-3 pretty solid hits per game and I think 11 of them is going to lay him up for a week or 2 .
Part of the team energy was that the players and staff beleived McNair was the answer at Qb and played with energy. Another game or 2 of the current offense and the entusiasm will wane quickly.

**ladyraven127** · 10-12-2006, 05:01 AM

Hmmm . . . I kinda think our passing game has suffered (

) because our running game is pathetic (at least when Jamal is in there). I would imagine that teams have figured out by now that when Jamal is in, they don't have to stuff the line, which takes away any chance of changing the play (like that would ever happen) at the line of scrimmage. Or not . . . anyhoo . . . I'm thinking this thread should be moved to the quarterback forum.

**ravenjoe** · 10-12-2006, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by darb72

Prove it.

Seriously. You stated something as a fact and now you have to defend it.

So get to proving your statement Slick.

Prove it?! I stated an Opinion which I'll stand by until the Raven's record indicates otherwise. If this team Fails to make the playoffs, then the addition of McNair (in lieu of Sunshine, named affectionately after the QB in the magnificent film, "Remember the Titans") will have not improved this team's relative success over the last couple of years. I believe McNair will deliver! He has attributes which, in my opionion, have been sorely lacking at the QB position ever since Mr Dilfer was released.

"Slick"....hmmm, I like that!

**StingerNLG** · 10-12-2006, 08:30 AM

I stated an Opinion which I'll stand by until the Raven's record indicates otherwise.

Well, considering the games have already been played, and Boller hasn't played in any of them, your opinion has no fact to stand up to.

He has attributes which, in my opionion, have been sorely lacking at the QB position ever since Mr Dilfer was released.

Attributes? This is all I keep hearing. He has attributes. Well, where are these attributes? With a 67 QB rating, where are they? With 6 INT's to 5 TD's (didn't people like Oldfan complain about that with Boller?), and successive drives that actually go in reverse, just what attributes are we talking about? Maybe it's luck. Maybe that's the attribute. It's been more than 5 games BTW, it's been 9. Tell me what these attributes are please, because he's not taking them out on the field with him.

How come Drew Brees can put up a 91.6 rating with a brand new team? Matt Lineart held out of camp AND he's a rookie and even HE looks better with the Cardinals right now. Dante just got benched and HIS QB rating is higher.

**ravenjoe** · 10-12-2006, 08:47 AM

Let's revisit this when the season is over, and then we'll see who knows what they're talking about. IF the Ravens do Not make the playoffs, then this experiment Failed, and my opinion re. McNair will have been wrong; but to discuss the season outcome, before all of the "facts" are in, is pointless right now.