Is it me?

**bobw2829** · 10-13-2006, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by darb72

Ok, you said the Ravens would be 2-3 at best with Boller right?

Uhmmm... last year the Ravens were 5-2 when the opponents scored 15 or fewer points. This year they're 4-1.

Guess what. That's pretty much the same record. Now before you go posting facts again, I'd suggest you actually do a little checking to make sure you're right.

Please don't compare last year to this year until we are at least half way through the season. It's still way to early to predict where the Ravens will end up this year.

Only thing I've got to say about Boller vs. McNair. When McNair is hit and falls to the ground he is helped up by his teammates. Can't say the same for Boller. What does that tell you?

**bobw2829** · 10-13-2006, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by ExiledRaven

I am exaggerating.

Yes, you are.

**StingerNLG** · 10-13-2006, 08:29 AM

The phenomenon I find amazing is how even though we're basically looking at the same exact offense, except with yet another QB, that people actually still haven't gotten that the QB hasn't been the problem. And in order to stick their head in the sand and pretend things are actually better now, they have to start off with "Well, you know I hate Boller and I'm so glad McNair is here, BUT..........." It's baffling because outside of the fact that we've gotten lucky a couple of times, we're 4-1 and that makes people forget that our new QB has a 67 rating and can't seem to move the ball or finish many drives, two things everyone thught was going to magically start happening with Boller out.

What's his road record?

6-14. That's why he's only 15-13 career or whatever it comes out to. Yes, we know playing on the road was a problem.

The difference is McNair has shown far more comeback ability than Boller ever did.

You are aware Tennessee was 4-12 and 5-11 consecutively the last couple of years, right? How many times did McNair lead comebacks in those seasons?

This is the type of thing that irks me.

If it doesn't, I fear this team will tank completely because they've already made it abundantly clear that Boller is not their guy.

And I think he knows they feel that way. So what motivation does he have to come sprinting off the bench to play? Like it or not, Boller is done here. I would be shocked if he resigns when his contract is up. And I think any chance he gets to play until then, he's simply going to use the mindset of playing to audition himself to other teams. You have to figure in 2 years 3-4 teams are going to need to replace their aging Quarterbacks. Why stay in a city that hates him?

**StingerNLG** · 10-13-2006, 08:30 AM

Only thing I've got to say about Boller vs. McNair. When McNair is hit and falls to the ground he is helped up by his teammates. Can't say the same for Boller.

That is the most factually untrue thing I've read yet.

**highwater** · 10-13-2006, 08:38 AM

Only thing I've got to say about Boller vs. McNair. When McNair is hit and falls to the ground he is helped up by his teammates. Can't say the same for Boller.

Funny, I have never noticed that. I wonder why. Maybe because it isn't true.

**Ravens'N'Hoos** · 10-13-2006, 10:19 AM

You are aware Tennessee was 4-12 and 5-11 consecutively the last couple of years, right? How many times did McNair lead comebacks in those seasons?

This is the type of thing that irks me.

Sorry, but it's true that McNair has shown more comeback ability than Boller. Did you look at this article?. Granted, that article was from before the Denver game, but the overall point still holds. By comeback ability, am I talking about games for Tennessee where they were losing by 3 TDs going into the last few minutes? No - I'm talking about keeping games close enough to get the win, and then actually getting the win. As this article says, "Last season, the Ravens were 1-10 when trailing after three quarters, and four of those losses were decided by a touchdown or less." Look at that, look at McNair's career and 2006 4th Q and last 2:00 numbers, look at how many times Boller has led a 4th Quarter comeback (3 out of 34 starts) and it's clear, for all McNair's faults, we're better off with him. Our defense keeps most games close, and McNair gives us a better chance to win those close games.

Now, I agree with you that changing the QB does not fix all or even most of the problems with this offense. The key to most of our existing offensive problems is the running game.

**bobw2829** · 10-13-2006, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by highwater

Funny, I have never noticed that. I wonder why. Maybe because it isn't true.

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

That is the most factually untrue thing I've read yet.

Sorry, but I saw it for myself in last year's Denver game.

**StingerNLG** · 10-13-2006, 02:44 PM

Sorry, but it's true that McNair has shown more comeback ability than Boller.

This is why I didn't read the article. It's a BS statement. It's hard to mount comebacks when you lose 11 and 12 games a season.

"Last season, the Ravens were 1-10 when trailing after three quarters, and four of those losses were decided by a touchdown or less."

And how many of those games did Boller play in? He's the one QB last year that DID lead a comeback.

Look at that, look at McNair's career and 2006 4th Q and last 2:00 numbers, look at how many times Boller has led a 4th Quarter comeback (3 out of 34 starts) and it's clear, for all McNair's faults, we're better off with him. Our defense keeps most games close, and McNair gives us a better chance to win those close games.

Despite having more losses in 2 years than Boller has in 3, you're still talking about an 11 year career over 34 starts. I hope to HELL that McNair has more 4th quarter comebacks in 7 more years on the field. That's a comparison I don't understand. On top of that, only 5 games in, McNair has already thrown almost HALF the number of interceptions as Boller. Does that stat not bother anyone at all?

No one is saying bench McNair. Well, maybe one guy here, but it's not me. We're sinking or swimming with this guy. And I am hoping that Sunday is the day all this crap gets put on the right track and we're talking about the offense doing a 180 and all of a sudden being as advertised. That said, he shouldn't HAVE to be leading comebacks, especially ones because the offense dug the hole in the first place. We should not be praying that the wind can carry that ball 50 yards because the last two SHORT passes were incomplete. We shouldn't be holding our breath over Todd Heap getting into the endzone because Wilcox and Mason drop balls.

Do you really and honestly have faith in our offense this week after watching the last 5 games? Because I don't know many other people that do.

**darb72** · 10-14-2006, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by bobw2829

Please don't compare last year to this year until we are at least half way through the season. It's still way to early to predict where the Ravens will end up this year.

Only thing I've got to say about Boller vs. McNair. When McNair is hit and falls to the ground he is helped up by his teammates. Can't say the same for Boller. What does that tell you?

Uhmmm... So when someone says it is a fact that Boller would be 2-3 in these last five games, that's acceptable?

Now for the second part. That tells me you don't watch a whole lot of Ravens games or football in general. Hey, you asked.

"And how many of those games did Boller play in? He's the one QB last year that DID lead a comeback."

The answer is two, I believe. There were four games that Boller started and finished where the final score was decided by less than a TD. Boller won two of those and lost two of them.

**Mista T** · 10-14-2006, 02:35 PM

This is why McNair had nobody open most of the game to throw to.

Excuses, excuses......

Receivers were open all over the field throughout the game, and he generally had ample time. Perhaps you couldn't see it on TV. It was obvious in the stadium. McNair seemed to just lock on his primary receiver, forcing the ball without enough zip on the first two interceptions.

Hopefully, he plays a better game tomorrow.

**StingerNLG** · 10-14-2006, 02:38 PM

No one has commented on how the Denver game witnessed a major change by a team in their defensive strategy in playing the Ravens. The Broncos played mostly to stop the passing game, daring the Ravens to run. This is why McNair had nobody open most of the game to throw to.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH. You've got to be kidding me.

Old.....er.......Tex, McNair threw 3 picks and had a QB rating worse than Boller's Denver game last year. I'm thinking this is not really the place you want to keep trying to shove the anti-Boller stuff in.

Funny how last year Jamal's inability to run was never a factor in 2005's 6-10 season. But all of a sudden Jamal's the main reason we lost the game last week?

It's all too predictable, but still funny.

**StingerNLG** · 10-15-2006, 09:49 AM

but played the worst game I have ever witnessed any Ravens QB play.

You mean unlike last Sunday when you saw the best road game the Ravens ever played??

How bad would he have been if Denver had been playing the pass most of the time like McNair?

What???

I shudder to think about it but the game would have likely been a blowout by Denver.

Ya know that the Ravens only scored 3 points last week, right?

Hint: You're losing this arguement Oldtex. And you don't have a good example to back you up.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 10-15-2006, 11:48 AM

Good lord...not again...

**Mista T** · 10-15-2006, 06:24 PM

Old.....er.......Tex

and

You're losing this arguement Oldtex.

Stinger: I'll have to put the "Mod" hat on for a minute, since the rest of them are likely still in Lot J finishing off the food & beer.

Let's keep Old-What's-His-Name out of this this. New board & fresh start, we can discuss our QB preferences w/o discussing the opponents in the debate!

Now ..... back to the debate!

**ExiledRaven** · 10-15-2006, 06:34 PM

Knock Boller however much....I thought he did well after not playing at all coming in and being effective. Yeah, he threw the pick, but still, remember how cold he used to be starting off?

Really seemed to get things somewhat on track today. Yeah, he overthrew a bit, but it's given me a lot of hope, even with the insane amount of luck. I always hoped Kyle would play well, and honestly, it's killing me to see Leftwich and Grossman be so good, then to watch eli and rivers play very well in general.

If Boller can start the next game and can get a 60% completion rate 250+ yards, and get the offense to score 3+ TDs...then I say full-blown QB controversy.

However, I doubt Boller will play the next game.

Mostly, I think we need to play offense gloves off. Let the offense loose, attack the D, stomp all over them. If they can't stop the passes to heap over the middle, smack them over the middle with heap until it doesn't work.

Why we turn away from what we're doing well in a game baffles me. Delhomme went after Rolle all game because it was working. Why can't we stick with what is clearly driving the offense down the field?

Finally, I am sick of the excuses and justifications for McNair and bashing and blaming Boller for the same exact event. McNair's done well on some comeback wins, but to say he's led the offense to improvement is a flat out lie.

**StingerNLG** · 10-15-2006, 06:49 PM

Sorry T. But don't worry. I've taken care of that issue. You won't have anymore of that.

However, I doubt Boller will play the next game.

He can't. Not because of today or anything else. Steve McNair was brought in to be the starter, and he was paid royally to do so. Like I said before, someone would have to square that with Stevie B. When McNair is healthy, he'll start again.