View Poll Results: Would we have won the gam with McNair playing the whole time?

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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...



    To answer your question Stinger, I don't think Boller is a winner like McNair. Winning is a skill, just like throwing touchdowns or having a high completion percentage. While the team shares in that, the individual can have a high impact on the outcome of a football game.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    No Rolle didn't come to play today.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    It doesn't matter if McNair played 20 or 30 years with Mason, Its a different playbook, which means different routes.
    That is just completely false. Every team runs the same routes. The all run slugos, posts, fly, 5 yard outs, 15 yard outs, etc. The playbook from one team to another is only different in terminology. The sets the plays are run out of and how often certain plays and types of plays changes from team to team, but the routes WRs run are no different.

    The familiarity a QB needs is with his individual receivers more than anything. Also how his OL blocks is important. But a 15 yard out is still a 15 yard out.

    This is something I have been preaching seemingly forever, and for which the Boller touters always seem to overlook. McNair has a weaker but more accurate and is the opposite of Boller.
    The NFL average success rate on balls thrown 20 yards in the air is somewhere around 15-20% as for completions. About 1 out of every 5 or 6 plays, which was his rate yesterday.

    Back to accuracy. McNair, has a 59.4% lifetime completion percentage and is at 56.2% for 2006. Boller's lifetime completion percentage is 55.5% and is 54.8% in limited time this year. Given that Unlike McNair, Boller actually ATTEMPTS longer passes 5-6 times a game, or about 20% of his attempts, if we take those attempts and any completions out of the percentage I bet they would match. Basically, the vaunted accuracy of McNair is a load of crapola. At face it is a few completions a game, which I would take, but the fact is those extra few completions come at the expense of any pretense in regard to a deep passing game.
    Last edited by Greg; 10-16-2006 at 01:20 PM.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    I like seeing balls passed with zip and points scored. It was obvious how much younger and spry Boller is than Mcnair. Too bad the pass defense blew it.

    New Orleans is likely to be a shootout. The only chance I see for us is if McNair stays on the bench.
    Its amazing to see the difference in the way Boller throws compared with McNair,especially right after one another when Steve got hurt.

    I would say that while McNairs pocket presence is better,when Boller is in there I bet the coaches make a little adjustment in the amount of 15yd plus passes they call.Its obvious that Mcnair doesnt have the down field arm anymore and teams realize this and clamp down on everything short.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    That is just completely false. Every team runs the same routes. The all run slugos, posts, fly, 5 yard outs, 15 yard outs, etc. The playbook from one team to another is only different in terminology. The sets the plays are run out of and how often certain plays and types of plays changes from team to team, but the routes WRs run are no different.
    The Routes are the same, but they are run in unlimited different varieties. Why do you think most Offensive Coordinators have playbooks that exceed 100 pages, if that were the case a average playbook would probably consist of 4 or 5 pages.

    I don't think any of us can even speculate how a many different plays Offensive Coordinators have. Learning the verbage is the easy part, the difficult part is learning an unlimited number of different plays and figuring out what to do and when to do it under pressure.

    Most of, if not all of the NFL analysts have stated that McNair is still very fresh here, and the game looks to be moving very fast for him.

    I am giving Mac a full year here before I make a final judgement. So far he has played like I have expected, but he still managed to win games.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    The Routes are the same, but they are run in unlimited different varieties. Why do you think most Offensive Coordinators have playbooks that exceed 100 pages, if that were the case a average playbook would probably consist of 4 or 5 pages.
    The claim in the post I was responding to was that they were different. You can have up to 5 possible routes for a play. The terminology to call that play can be kind of complicated and maybe remembering where the 4th and 5th checkdown are if indeed all 5 eligibles go out might be tough, but remember 1-3 shouldn't be that hard. The name of the play tells you the routes that will be run once you learn the terminology for that system, I hope he has that down by now. He also has a wrist cheat sheet which probably gives him the terminology definitions so he can confirm that Jet mean fly, etc.

    In any case, I would buy the getting used to the offense take to take the next step. Fact is, he needs to take the next step just to get to barely serviceable right now.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    In any case, I would buy the getting used to the offense take to take the next step. Fact is, he needs to take the next step just to get to barely serviceable right now
    Barely serviceable?

    You would'nt call the game in Cleveland and the win against the Chargers serviceable?

    His only total flop was in the shitty weather in Denver, and Sunday he only played for half a quarter.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    IMO, if McNair played the whole game ...we'd have lost by even more. With no run game, no deep threat, and the defense going in the tank..fugeddaboudit. I suspect we'd have had more pickoffs, possibly returned all the way. Carolina's defense would have been able to jump the pass routes with abandon.

    While I hope I'm wrong, I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that sadly, McNair is NOT the answer. He is exactly what Boller needs though. Whether or not Boller stays here or goes elsewhere next season, he'll be a much better QB for having had a real veteran to learn the other nuances of the game.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    No Boller did as well as we could have asked him to. The defense gave up too many big plays to continue to let Carolina stay ahead. The offense put twenty plus points on the board this game but it wasn't enough.






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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Heap86 View Post
    The Routes are the same, but they are run in unlimited different varieties. Why do you think most Offensive Coordinators have playbooks that exceed 100 pages, if that were the case a average playbook would probably consist of 4 or 5 pages.

    I don't think any of us can even speculate how a many different plays Offensive Coordinators have. Learning the verbage is the easy part, the difficult part is learning an unlimited number of different plays and figuring out what to do and when to do it under pressure.

    Most of, if not all of the NFL analysts have stated that McNair is still very fresh here, and the game looks to be moving very fast for him.

    I am giving Mac a full year here before I make a final judgement. So far he has played like I have expected, but he still managed to win games.
    This is wrong. Or at least based on every interview I've heard by a QB who switched teams it's wrong.

    The verbiage is the tough thing to learn. As Greg said, a 15 yard out is a 15 yard out. The subtle adjustments a WR and QB may make as they become familiar with each other is the difference. In the case of Mason, that should not be an issue.

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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Heap86 View Post
    Barely serviceable?

    You would'nt call the game in Cleveland and the win against the Chargers serviceable?

    His only total flop was in the shitty weather in Denver, and Sunday he only played for half a quarter.
    You need to stop judging a QBs performance by just the last 2:00. The game is 60 minutes and we can't always count on the defense to hold the opponent to under 10 points.

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  12. #36

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    The game is 60 minutes and we can't always count on the defense to hold the opponent to under 10 points.
    As evidence by Denver. Now all of a sudden it was a rainy shitty day in Denver.

    I don't remember Boller getting the same leeway when he had to play in New England in a monsoon without Jamal Lewis at all (remember he was suspended 4 games in 2004). All I heard was how bad Boller was in that game. No one cared about the weather then.




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