Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

**FHRaven** · 11-18-2007, 04:00 PM

Time to vent.

RUN THE F**king ball! Why are we passing with 38 seconds left in the game. RUN THE F**king ball and leave Cleveland with a few seconds to receive the kickoff.

I'm now in the Billick must be go camp. That was inexcusable. He gave the game to Cleveland.

**Purpleguy** · 11-18-2007, 04:04 PM

47 yards was still long for Stover. We were trying to pick up a few more yards. People are just looking for reasons to bash Billick with that call. The defense and special teams could have stepped up to stop the browns on 2 back to back drives.

**ExiledRaven** · 11-18-2007, 04:08 PM

I really disagree, that was a really bad call there. If billick is THAT scared about Stover kicking a longer field goal then stover needs to go too, he's a liability if he's not got the coach's confidence at range period.

Defense and special teams hurt, sure....but Billick's job is to take all of that out of the equation.

Anyhow, I am in the Billick's got to go side of things, been there for awhile. We'll see what happens the rest of the year...and Boller's improvement, along with the offensive line in the second half is good.

Let's see how this plays out, but I still want Billick gone.

**FHRaven** · 11-18-2007, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Purpleguy

47 yards was still long for Stover. We were trying to pick up a few more yards. People are just looking for reasons to bash Billick with that call. The defense and special teams could have stepped up to stop the browns on 2 back to back drives.

I disagree. It wasn't too long, he made the field from there. And the 2 pass attempts were both for 1-2 yards. A smart coach runs the ball, especially the way McGahee had been playing and tries to get a few yards. You DON'T let the other team have the opportunity to beat you. It's coaching 101!

**xmradiodave** · 11-18-2007, 04:16 PM

Hmmm... Billick is not going anywhere. With 4 years on contract, it makes it a bit difficult to just fire him. As for the comment that Stover must go... that is just plain stupid. No matter how you try to explain it, it is stupid.

**ExiledRaven** · 11-18-2007, 04:44 PM

Sorry, but personal insults are a no no.

**RavenFanatic2k6** · 11-18-2007, 05:32 PM

It was stupid not to run it on second down, even stupider not to on third down. This is yet another game Billick has blown because of his obsession with the pass.

**Sephy** · 11-18-2007, 05:38 PM

As I said in the thread - Billick learned nothing from that Buffalo game where Ray had to call him out on his radio show. Simply inexcusable. If you don't trust your $40m running back to get at LEAST one yard to get a first and wind the clock down further (you can even pass then, if you want!), what the fuck is he there for? Not to mention he'd been carving up the Browns all day long.

**terpsnoone** · 11-18-2007, 06:03 PM

No excuse for not running on one of those downs - especially 3rd - we probably would not have made a 1st down but we would have gotten a few more yards for Stover - used a few more seconds & forced them to use a time out.

Billick gets paid millions for making these crappy decisions over & over again.

A good coach wins that game today period - unfortunately we don't have one of those at the moment

**StingerNLG** · 11-18-2007, 06:04 PM

I'm so numb from this I am not even sure how I am typing right now.

The fact that Billick specifically said that he should have called it different after the Buffalo game, only to do the EXACT SAME THING here, shows me that Billick has absolutely no idea how to manage the clock.

This game was won. It was absolutely won. Run the ball, and if you get the 1st down you're even forcing the Browns to use their time outs. Any way you look at it, this game was won and Billick let it get away.

Billick needs to give the offense up. And since we know he isn't going to do that, he needs to go.

It was a long walk from the stadium today, and that's after huddling around the TV's on the lower level after leaving our seats on the FG. But that walk gave me clarity that Billick has to go and a fresh voice needs to come in.

**purplepoe** · 11-18-2007, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

I'm so numb from this I am not even sure how I am typing right now.

The fact that Billick specifically said that he should have called it different after the Buffalo game, only to do the EXACT SAME THING here, shows me that Billick has absolutely no idea how to manage the clock.

This game was won. It was absolutely won. Run the ball, and if you get the 1st down you're even forcing the Browns to use their time outs. Any way you look at it, this game was won and Billick let it get away.

Billick needs to give the offense up. And since we know he isn't going to do that, he needs to go.

It was a long walk from the stadium today, and that's after huddling around the TV's on the lower level after leaving our seats on the FG. But that walk gave me clarity that Billick has to go and a fresh voice needs to come in.

My buddy was flipping out as it was happening.

I've tried to give Billick the benefit of the doubt but this was insane.

How many times have we heard Billick say that he runs clock so that the other team doesn't get a chance to score?

Yet he's got 2nd and 3rd and 1 with 36 seconds left and he fuckin throws it twice?

Please.

Of course, the way it unfolded after that was beyond bizarre. The thing is, that stuff should've never happened.

PP

**FHRaven** · 11-18-2007, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by purplepoe

My buddy was flipping out as it was happening.

I've tried to give Billick the benefit of the doubt but this was insane.

How many times have we heard Billick say that he runs clock so that the other team doesn't get a chance to score?

Yet he's got 2nd and 3rd and 1 with 36 seconds left and he fuckin throws it twice?

Please.

Of course, the way it unfolded after that was beyond bizarre. The thing is, that stuff should've never happened.

PP

Exactly. He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. There is NO WAY he can command the respect of his players at this point. And without that he cannot effectively run the team.

The only out he has is to completely and publicly remove himself from the offense at the end of the season. I doubt his ego will allow that though. I just hope Steve can swallow the rest of his contract and let him go.

**highwater** · 11-18-2007, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by purplepoe

Yet he's got 2nd and 3rd and 1 with 36 seconds left and he fuckin throws it twice?

I didn't have a problem with Billick calling a pass on second down, but on third down, what the hell? Even if they didn't make a first down, they could have run the clock down, and Stover would still have the same distance field goal. Bad decision.

Of course, we still could have won the game if the defense had not folded up like a cheap lawn chair at the end of regulation and in overtime, but it should never have even gotten to that point.

**StingerNLG** · 11-18-2007, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by highwater

I didn't have a problem with Billick calling a pass on second down, but on third down, what the hell? Even if they didn't make a first down, they could have run the clock down, and Stover would still have the same distance field goal. Bad decision.

Of course, we still could have won the game if the defense had not folded up like a cheap lawn chair at the end of regulation and in overtime, but it should never have even gotten to that point.

I think you run on both. It's about taking time off the clock at that point. At no point should the Ravens have thrown the ball in that situation, in either down. It was about the 1st down at that time.

**RavensInBrazil** · 11-18-2007, 07:44 PM

It makes absolutely zero sense to throw it. First, you risk an interception, which I believe in this situation is more likely than a fumble. Second, you stop the clock. Third, we could win with a FG, so you can't even claim to be going for the TD. It's just BRAINLESS. I know Billick isn't exactly known for his clock managing skills, but this is the straw that broke the camel's back

I'm through with Billick...I always liked the guy, but goddamn

**Tspot-D-Ravenator** · 11-18-2007, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by RavensInBrazil

I'm through with Billick...I always liked the guy, but goddamn

This is insulting to me and could you please quit insulting God? Thank you

**XXXV** · 11-18-2007, 10:16 PM

I always doubt when someone posts something like I'm getting ready to post, and I did not hear this straight from the horses mouth, so take it for what's it's worth.

But

Someone with ties to the owner told me that Bischotti and Billick already have a buyout agreement in place, and it will be executed if there is not marked improvement in the Ravens offense, beginning with the Cincinnati game.

Again, I did not hear this directly, but it is from a person I trust.

We'll see....

**xmradiodave** · 11-19-2007, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by ExiledRaven

Sorry, but personal insults are a no no.

Personal insults? Where was there a personal insult. Did I say anyone was stupid? No. I said that comment that stover needs to go was stupid.

EDIT:
Nevermind... I realize what happened. I did not see the moderator edit tag

**HoustonRaven** · 11-19-2007, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Purpleguy

47 yards was still long for Stover. We were trying to pick up a few more yards. People are just looking for reasons to bash Billick with that call. The defense and special teams could have stepped up to stop the browns on 2 back to back drives.

That doesnt make any sense.

Billick did the same thing during the Jets and Cardinals game. By passing, the clock stop on incompletion, giving the Browns the advantage with the clock. Also, the run WAS working. Three runs up the gut in that situation and the Browns dont have enough time to get that gift field goal.

Bye bye, Brian. I got nothing against him personally, but he needs a change of jobs.

**ravenwoman** · 11-19-2007, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by XXXV

I always doubt when someone posts something like I'm getting ready to post, and I did not hear this straight from the horses mouth, so take it for what's it's worth.

But

Someone with ties to the owner told me that Bischotti and Billick already have a buyout agreement in place, and it will be executed if there is not marked improvement in the Ravens offense, beginning with the Cincinnati game.

Again, I did not hear this directly, but it is from a person I trust.

We'll see....

I pray that you are sooooo right!!! Billick is not a smart coach. Never has been, never will be. A good coach makes the difference when he doesn't have very much to work with, because of injuries and personnel. Key decisions yesterday could have resulted in a win for us.