Ring of Honor poll

**festivus** · 03-08-2007, 03:12 PM

Here are your two candidates.

Jamal Lewis

Edwin Mulitalo

Give 'em a

or

**donnaj** · 03-08-2007, 03:21 PM

Jamal Lewis

Edwin Mulitalo

Sometimes it not only about what you do on the field but the contribution to make to society and the community in which you live, that is one of the main reasons I give Jamal a thumbs down.

**Gwaihir** · 03-08-2007, 03:21 PM

Jamal Lewis

Edwin Mulitalo

**RavenScallywag** · 03-08-2007, 03:22 PM

Edwin should get a big

. Ring of Honor is about two things: playing time/success in Baltimore, and what you do in the community. Edwin may not be a HOF LG, but he certainly manned a dominant left side with JO and had some good success here. Also, Big Ed's Band was a huge thing in the area and the guy was on KMS this morning saying, unless something drastic changes, he's coming back to Baltimore when he retires.

Jamal, to be honest, I have to give a

to right now. Yes, he's the franchise's leading rusher and he had that HUGE season, but really, he had three big years here, and three just ok years. And, unless I missed it, he contributed nothing to the community except that stupid mess in 2004 with the cell phone. He can be a great player but I haven't seen enough from him yet to merit him being one of our greats. I'd only change it if he ends up coming back later in his career.

**Gabrosin** · 03-08-2007, 03:30 PM

Jamal Lewis:

Edwin Mulitalo:

Earnest Byner:

If Jamal had given us 5-6 productive seasons, maybe he'd deserve such an honor. Instead he gave us a couple good years, a few poor ones, a couple seriously injured ones, and an embarrassing prison sentence. Pass.

As for Mule, it would be nice to be sentimental and honor him, but I think that Ring should belong to people who were outstanding on the field as well as off. Mulitalo has been outstanding off the field and above average on it. He's been a quality component of the Ravens but not one of its stars, and without his play our teams would have been much the same.

Of the current Ravens, assuming they continue having productive careers in the city of Baltimore, I would make a case for Ray Lewis (lock), Jonathan Ogden (lock), Ed Reed, Todd Heap, Chris McAlister, and Matt Stover. Other than those six, none of our players have distinguished themselves enough to enter the conversation. There are young players who could get on this list with continued outstanding play (Suggs, Clayton, Ngata), there are older players who are superstars but haven't been Ravens for most of their careers (McNair, Pryce, Mason), and there are solid performers who I love having on the Ravens but can't label as elite (Gregg, Scott).

Mulitalo, for me, fell into that final category. Worthy of commendation, but not of honoring forever.

**PurpleRulz** · 03-08-2007, 04:04 PM

No one asked about Earnest Byner. He is already in the ROH.

Both Jamal and Mule get a

We would not have won the SB without both.

**Raineman** · 03-08-2007, 06:34 PM

Being a "Jamal pimper" you may not believe this, but I don't think he even gets consideration for the ROH. So I'll say

to that one. (Although I would think he deserves it more than Earnest Byner, since somebody brought it up)

Edwin on the other hand? There should not even be a discussion. There ARE FEW Ravens who are/were willing to do for the community AND team what he has done. You need to remember that the ROH is not only the teams, but it is OURS as well. It is a link to the community, which Edwin has represented like no other Raven ever has. The ROH for Edwin should be about one of the easiest decisions they could make. Yes his play as a guard was above average. HOF? I can't say. I don't know about the other guards in the HOF to even venture a guess. ROH? No brainer to me. So with that I say

**Ravenatic20** · 03-08-2007, 06:47 PM

None?

If anyone gets it, it will be J. Lewis only because of his 2000 yard season, but thats the only way it would happen.

**TTRaven** · 03-08-2007, 06:54 PM

I agree with Ravenatic20. Both players were very good, and did a lot to help this team win a championship. They both are not on that ROH level for me. When you think ROH you think about cornerstone players for this franchise, guys like Ray Lewis and Ogden.

Of course both Jamal and Edwin deserve it more than Byner.

**camdenyard** · 03-08-2007, 07:17 PM

Jamal, maybe. Not Ed.

**bassgtrst** · 03-08-2007, 07:25 PM

No Jamal. Hes done nothing for the community and while he has played good for us in the past, his career post-jail was far from honorable.

I would give Ed a yes. A great community guy and a great OL for us that we developed out of the 6th round.

**PurpleRulz** · 03-08-2007, 08:49 PM

It is Ring of Honor, not Hall of Fame. If Mulitalo and Jamal are not worthy of honor for their many contributions throughout their Ravens careers, then I don't know who is.

**Greg** · 03-08-2007, 09:19 PM

If Mulitalo and Jamal are not worthy of honor for their many contributions throughout their Ravens careers, then I don't know who is.

Ray Lewis and Jon Ogden. If you can't figure out that difference ...

Jamal had one incredible year and a few good ones, not enough longevity. Edwin, I love the guy but he just isn't an elite player. If he is in so is Rob Burnett (more deserving), and then who? Too many players to mention fall into this category.

**Ravens0587** · 03-08-2007, 09:20 PM

Agree with Greg, I don't agree with anyone currently on there and I Othink only ogden and ray deserve to be on there

**PurpleRulz** · 03-08-2007, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Greg

Ray Lewis and Jon Ogden. If you can't figure out that difference ...

Jamal had one incredible year and a few good ones, not enough longevity. Edwin, I love the guy but he just isn't an elite player. If he is in so is Rob Burnett (more deserving), and then who? Too many players to mention fall into this category.

You obviously don't understand the concept of the ROH. This is not the Hall of Fame we are talking about. It is, in part, about the impact these players have had with the RAVENS throughout their career. Jamal and Mule contributions far extend what they accomplished on the field.

Not that I am making this argument, but some would take issue with your suggestion of Ray Lewis in the ROH due to his off field murder trials and multiple paternity suits, etc.

Bottomline, those two will be honored whether you feel they are worthy or not.

**Raineman** · 03-08-2007, 09:52 PM

Normally I would agree with Greg and 0587's points. HOWEVER.......A precedent has been set. That standard is why I would say Mulitalo should be a shoe-in.

That standard, by the way, is Byner. (There is obviously no comparison between the 2). Given the standard, when does Trent get his spot? Michael Jackson anyone? How about WSO....sorry....I mean Brad Jackson? Does Stoney get a spot? What about Chris Redman, I mean, after all, he was Johnny U's "boy".

If Byner got a spot then so does the TV guy with the orange glove. C'mon folks. People hold our players to a standard that was set by the old school Colts players that WERE the community, and you people say Edwin doesn't deserve to be there? He is probably one of maybe 5 guys that, by your Baltimore Colts standards, epitomizes the standard.

Look beyond the field. The play on the field, the contribution to team, and the committment to community IS the ROH standard.

**PurpleRulz** · 03-08-2007, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Raineman

Normally I would agree with Greg and 0587's points. HOWEVER.......A precedent has been set. That standard is why I would say Mulitalo should be a shoe-in.

That standard, by the way, is Byner. (There is obviously no comparison between the 2). Given the standard, when does Trent get his spot? Michael Jackson anyone? How about WSO....sorry....I mean Brad Jackson? Does Stoney get a spot? What about Chris Redman, I mean, after all, he was Johnny U's "boy".

If Byner got a spot then so does the TV guy with the orange glove. C'mon folks. People hold our players to a standard that was set by the old school Colts players that WERE the community, and you people say Edwin doesn't deserve to be there? He is probably one of maybe 5 guys that, by your Baltimore Colts standards, epitomizes the standard.

Look beyond the field. The play on the field, the contribution to team, and the committment to community IS the ROH standard.

Posters like Greg think "woulda, shoulda, coulda" and ignore reality (what is). Again, folks don't know ythe difference between a Hall of Fame and a Ring of Honor. Are Jamal and Mule HOFers? Heck no. Are they worthy of the ROH? Most certainly. This is not even a discussion. The fact that there is an attempt to debate this just tells those posters need to find something more substantive to debate.

**purplepoe** · 03-08-2007, 10:30 PM

Byner being in has screwed the whole thing up.

If you add players like Mulitalo and to a lesser extent Jamal, if a few years' the whole railing will be filled in a decade.

I say neither should get in but because Byner's in, all bets are off.

PP

**Ravens0587** · 03-08-2007, 11:15 PM

well if we put every succesful player in there, jamal, ray, boulware, reed, mcalister, clayton, byner, mule, ogden....get the point

WTF is byner doing there anyway seriously ask yourself wtf

**darb72** · 03-08-2007, 11:24 PM

Mule has been one of the most consistant guards in the league since he signed here. Let's give some love to the guards.

Jamal I think deserves it because he has the second most rushing yards in a season and broke the 100 yard mark as a rookie in the SuperBowl. I vote for him.