Ravens not returning next year

**Dade** · 12-10-2007, 10:33 AM

My money is on JO and McNair. Both will probably retire. But who else? Who will probably opt out their contract, get traded, etc.? What do u think?

**RavenLisa** · 12-10-2007, 10:34 AM

I hope the whole team

**Purpleguy** · 12-10-2007, 10:37 AM

McNair won't retire. He'll make us pay.

I don't care who goes. They are all expendable. This is the worst team i have ever watched, but they still have an ego the size of the Atlantic Ocean.

**Losac** · 12-10-2007, 10:38 AM

Suggs.

The Ravens will make him a fair offer after the season, but he'll most likely test the market and I'm sure some team will overpay for him.

Also, I don't think McNair will retire.

**camdenyard** · 12-10-2007, 10:48 AM

Well, Flynn...obviously. Anderson, definitely. Pittman needs to be on that list too. Martin too, depending on how much CB depth they decide to draft.

McNair, I think they will cut. I think they will draft a QB high and/or bring in an established vet to be #1. Boller will be #2 and Troy will be #3.

**ravenwoman** · 12-10-2007, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by camdenyard

Well, Flynn...obviously. Anderson, definitely. Pittman needs to be on that list too. Martin too, depending on how much CB depth they decide to draft.

McNair, I think they will cut. I think they will draft a QB high and/or bring in an established vet to be #1. Boller will be #2 and Troy will be #3.

McNair will be told to restructure, or he will be cut. J.O. needs to retire or get a new toe. Mike Anderson's contract is up this year. Mike Flynn--gone. Basically, many players will be told to restructure (take a pay cut) or they will be gone. We are nearing cap hell. We will be drafting high in all of the rounds next year and we need the space to be able to sign a first round pick.

**Dont Know** · 12-10-2007, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by camdenyard

Martin too

I disagree, he is young and I mean seriously young, like 2008 draftee young.

The guy should be playing college football, instead he finds himself as a starting CB on a man to man, isle defense.

He should either be on the bench (like Gaither) or on ST, at most. I would give him a pass for now.

**Sephy** · 12-10-2007, 11:24 AM

Pittman and Martin will stay on as nickel and dime players, where they will be fine. They are just absolutely horrible #1/2 corners. They don't have the speed or guile to stay with the top guys.

**jonboy79** · 12-10-2007, 11:39 AM

I agreee the young CB's stay. MA signed a 4 year deal, but I'd trade him for a late 7th. Flynn has one more year, and I'm starting to think that him spending it on our bench may be a good move. McNair and Ogden are the must go's.

**Dade** · 12-10-2007, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by ravenwoman

We are nearing cap hell. We will be drafting high in all of the rounds next year and we need the space to be able to sign a first round pick.

Nearing I think we're there. Per SI this off season Baltimore will have 5.00 million in cap space. Second worst in the league behind Washington (who will be 20 million over the cap!).

**RavenScallywag** · 12-10-2007, 12:04 PM

I think McNair comes back...which I would be ok with, so long as he knows it's not his job anymore...He can compete and show us wrong, but don't let him walk in with a job in hand, he needs to earn it.

MA is gone, we treated him like crap, and I apologize, on behalf of Baltimore.

JO is 99% out of here. He said so himself, and why would you come back next year, unless we traded for the entire Patriots Offense. Flynn stays, hopefully as a backup/mentor.

Suggs, I think he'll go because we won't overpay. I doubt we franchise him, maybe we will...we shouldn't give him top 5 DE money.

I used to think Rolle was gone, but he seems revved up again and wanting to play another year...Hopefully, he comes back and we have a CB who can push him into a nickel role.

My suprise of the year? I think Stover hangs it up this year...we didn't even get him in FG range most of the time (I know, I had him as my fantasy K

). I think he decides it's his time to move on, and next year, it's the Rhys Lloyd show.

Also, Sams...it was nice knowing ya, but we got Figurs now!

**Ravenator** · 12-10-2007, 12:28 PM

McNair will likely be back, and I agree with ScallyWag that he has to earn the job. I mean if he comes in next season ready to play then I have no problem with him starting again. He was banged up most of this season anyway.

JO is probably gone unless Ray or someone on the offense can show some way the Ravens win the Super Bowl next season with him at LT.

Suggs is probably gone due to financial reasons. We do not have the cap room to sign this guy unless he really wants to stay in Baltimore.

Mike Anderson is gone because Smith is the spell and we will likely draft a 3rd round or 4th round back this season.

I like Rolle alot and he is definitly better then what we have. Hopefully he comes back next season with all the medical things under control. If he plays all season with McAlister we should be ok again on D. Lets face it, the reason our D has looked terrible is the lack of DB's to shut down the pass.

Flynn is gone, he sucks.

Sams is gone, Figures is the guy at return.

Finally, Stover will not go. He is still very good and i think he is at the point in his career that he will not play elsewhere.

**Mikerobe** · 12-10-2007, 03:37 PM

Ogden will go for physical reasons, Flynn may be a cap casualty. Say goodbye to Anderson, and someone please tell me why we even brought him here if they didn't plan on using him?

McNair may see it's time to go,and drift on out to pasture. David Pittman will most likely be cut, and should be. Corey Ivy has shown to be of limited value, along with Gary Stills and Gerome Sapp. None of these three are a "no touch" player.

We also might see a mass exodus of coaches next season. Many won't want to go down with the S.S. Billick. Sometimes you just see the writing on the wall.

**Mista T** · 12-10-2007, 04:40 PM

McNair is cut June 1st. Ogden & Rolle retire. Flynn & Anderson are 50/50 - who on the team is better and at what salary?

Not enough!

**underwriter** · 12-10-2007, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mista T

McNair is cut June 1st. Ogden & Rolle retire. Flynn & Anderson are 50/50 - who on the team is better and at what salary?

Not enough!

I agree with McNair. Ogden retires. Rolle is not going to retire. Flynn and Anderson are gone. Trevor Pryce? Don't know his cap number but he is getting up there in age. David Pittman for sure....BUST. I think we should draft a shut down corner with the 9th or 10th pick and try to pick up a qb with the 2nd round pick. Not really sure about Ryan from BC.....

UW

**UKRaven** · 12-11-2007, 05:25 AM

I got flamed on a prevous thread for suggesting we are getting into cap trouble - does anyone know our real situation and the impact of each player leaving?

**underwriter** · 12-11-2007, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by UKRaven

I got flamed on a prevous thread for suggesting we are getting into cap trouble - does anyone know our real situation and the impact of each player leaving?

According to NBC Sunday night Football, the Baltimore Ravens are the 31st worst team in cap money. They are 5 million under. Ogden is due 7 million and I am sure McNair's number is equally as high...

This is the time to get young.....

UW

**Fiesty Ravens Chic** · 12-11-2007, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Mikerobe

Corey Ivy has shown to be of limited value, along with Gary Stills and Gerome Sapp. None of these three are a "no touch" player.

You think Sapp and Stills are limited value???

Have you not seen both of them step it up on the ST? Personally I would keep both since they seem to be the few on ST that can actually tackle a returner!

**RavenScallywag** · 12-11-2007, 09:22 AM

Stills and Sapp have low salaries and are good ST and reserve players...why do we need to focus on them? FOCUS on the big salaries, like Flynn, Ogden, Ray, Rolle, CMac, etc...That's like saying "Justin Green is of little value to us"...Yes, he's not used a lot, and he's also paid that way...

Pittman won't get cut unless someone beats him for a roster position next year. The Ravens don't just cut because of so-so performance (see Travis Taylor), they just bury that person on the depth chart. That said, we need to bring in some decent CBs...Martin and Pittman aren't cutting it, and Ivy can not be a starter, not even a spot starter.

**Fiesty Ravens Chic** · 12-12-2007, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

Suggs, I think he'll go because we won't overpay. I doubt we franchise him, maybe we will...we shouldn't give him top 5 DE money.

I just personally spoke to T-Sizzle and he made it very clear that he is going NO WHERE! They are already working on his next contract and as money hungry as you ALL may think this man is; you’re by far wrong. He loves B-more and he loves his team. Look for him to cont. to be a great player for our defense in the coming years!!