Ravens All-Charmin Team

**psuasskicker** · 06-28-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by festivus

Nah. He was fine, for what he was. An extra CB.

I know he came to the Ravens with a reputation for being soft, but he didn't do anything here to deserve it.

Soooooooooo not true! He never hits anyone ever, and he was CONSTANTLY hampered by pulled muscles and little things.

He played okay. When he was on the field. But he was still soft.

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**Tspot-D-Ravenator** · 06-28-2008, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Tspot-D-Ravenator

With what Kyle Boller's been through in his tenure here in B-more and he still wants to play here, he should be on the tough team....just sayin'

and the way Kyle will run down field to put a block on a defender for Willis McGahee, is far from being soft. And this is not the only nice block I've seen Kyle throw..click here for:THE BOLLER BLOCK

**festivus** · 06-29-2008, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by psuasskicker

Soooooooooo not true! He never hits anyone ever, and he was CONSTANTLY hampered by pulled muscles and little things.

He played okay. When he was on the field. But he was still soft.

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He was 37 when he got here. I'm not saying put him on the 'tough' team, I'm just saying, he didn't do anything so Clarence-Moore-like when he was here that he deserves to go on the 'soft' team.

My :2c:.

**darb72** · 06-29-2008, 06:40 PM

Jamal was a tap dancing bear, if I can steal a phrase from DaBruise.

He may not have been soft, but he is without a doubt the worst 245# short yardage runner in the history of the NFL. If it was 4th and a foot, I had more faith in one of our spectacular failures at QB throwing for it than I did Jamal running for it.

**Mike B** · 06-29-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

I'd definately put JO on the tough team.

On Soft, I'd put Duane Starks there too.

Duane Starks played hard, and for his size tackled well on the corner. Plus he jumped the route in the SB which is when I knew we were going to be World Champs even after the kickoff return.

**Mike B** · 06-29-2008, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tspot-D-Ravenator

and the way Kyle will run down field to put a block on a defender for Willis McGahee, is far from being soft. And this is not the only nice block I've seen Kyle throw..click here for:THE BOLLER BLOCK

Kyle has taken a beating both physically and mentally and kept coming. You may not like the way he plays QB, but you can not doubt hiss heart and class. Kyle is #2 after Ray. IMO.

**Ravens45** · 07-01-2008, 05:17 PM

Man, I don't know about the rest of you, but I LOVED it that Deion was a Raven. He was one of my childhood hero's in the 90s, and when I heard he wanted to come to Baltimore, I was ecstatic. I still vividly remember his interception against Buffalo and high-steppin' it in for a TD. And the bomb he picked off later that season. He contributed; especially by making fans smile and go nuts by still dancing down the field at 37 years old...

**psuasskicker** · 07-02-2008, 01:09 PM

Loving the way a guy plays, and him playing soft, have nothing to do with each other...

Deion was a fantastic player.

But he was also very, very soft.

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**RavinDonnie** · 07-03-2008, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Tspot-D-Ravenator

With what Kyle Boller's been through in his tenure here in B-more and he still wants to play here, he should be on the tough team....just sayin'

He's been paid millions of dollars to "play" here as you say. If anyone else this side of the arena league would have wanted him he wouldn't have signed an extension.

And to say Jamal Lewis is soft and Matt Stover is tough is beyond idiotic and probably the type of ridiculousness that made the NFL wanting nothing to do with Baltimore.

**festivus** · 07-03-2008, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by RavinDonnie

He's been paid millions of dollars to "play" here as you say. If anyone else this side of the arena league would have wanted him he wouldn't have signed an extension.

Even most Boller bashers here would agree the he is *tough*. He has taken a furious beating, physically and otherwise, and always shown 100% class on and off the field. That's tough, regardless how craptastic his play on the field.

Originally Posted by RavinDonnie

And to say Jamal Lewis is soft and Matt Stover is tough is beyond idiotic and probably the type of ridiculousness that made the NFL wanting nothing to do with Baltimore.

How 'bout making some contributions of your own, instead of calling other posters "idiotic" and suggesting the fans are the reason the NFL wants "nothing to do with Baltimore." Bring your angst to another thread, please. This one's about something else.

**RavensFanIAm** · 07-03-2008, 09:46 AM

Just curious, for those that want Jamal on the soft list, or totally not against it, is this really how you feel? Or is there some bitterness about what he's said/done since he went to Cleveland?

I can't really stand him either. But there is no way I can discredit anything he's done for this franchise. JMO though

**jonboy79** · 07-03-2008, 09:50 AM

I was tired of him at least a year, probably two before he went to Cleveland. As has been mentioned, he was a POOR push the pile kind of back, for a 245 pounder. For someone so big and strong he did the "Tough guy" stuff poorly. He was a poor blocker, poor pile mover, and had poor endurance.

**RavensFanIAm** · 07-03-2008, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

I was tired of him at least a year, probably two before he went to Cleveland. As has been mentioned, he was a POOR push the pile kind of back, for a 245 pounder. For someone so big and strong he did the "Tough guy" stuff poorly. He was a poor blocker, poor pile mover, and had poor endurance.

ITA about him being a poor blocker. His endurance, there were a few times he slacked of, but I do have a slight difference of opinion with that and the pile mover.

I was just wondering though. I think he's a douche bag but I try not to let that get in the way of the overall accomplishments he's had here.

**jonboy79** · 07-03-2008, 11:17 AM

ITA? huh?

Jamal was an open field runner, when he had a whole he could do some DAMGAGE, when there is no hole, he gets NOTHING.

**mr_tweaker** · 07-04-2008, 07:16 AM

Boller: Tough heart, marshmallow brain

**highwater** · 07-04-2008, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by RavensFanIAm

ITA about him being a poor blocker.

**UKRavenStockers** · 07-04-2008, 08:17 AM

Just done a bit of searching and came up with the following meanings for ITA whilst watching Federer vs Safin with my lunch:

- Illinois Trade Association
- International Telegraph Alphabet (Also known as the Baudot code)
- Independent Testing Authority
- Internal thoracic artery
- International Taekwondo Alliance
- International Trade Administration
- Common abbreviation for "Italy"
- Intercollegiate Tennis Association (to go along with the tennis theme of watching Mr Safin and Mr Federer)
- Involuntary Treatment Act
- I Totally Agree

I think he meant the last one, random acronym, never seen it before.