Not a debate, but Boller played

**StingerNLG** · 12-18-2006, 04:38 PM

PP, have you listened to the radio today? Think I'm the only one talking about Boller today?

I'm also being realistic. The bottom line is that Boller won the game yesterday. He didn't need the defense to bail him out (in fact, he bailed out the defense yesterday after they let Anderson shread them a bit). He got the pass protection he normally NEVER got, and he did what he had to do.

You can call that wishful thinking all you want my friend. But there is the reality of the situation. And I'd say about 95% of the people I've heard on the radio and talked to today understand that.

**purplepoe** · 12-18-2006, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

PP, have you listened to the radio today? Think I'm the only one talking about Boller today?

I'm also being realistic. The bottom line is that Boller won the game yesterday. He didn't need the defense to bail him out (in fact, he bailed out the defense yesterday after they let Anderson shread them a bit). He got the pass protection he normally NEVER got, and he did what he had to do.

You can call that wishful thinking all you want my friend. But there is the reality of the situation. And I'd say about 95% of the people I've heard on the radio and talked to today understand that.

I think you misunderstood my comment.

The wishful thinking comment was about just leaving it at that. We know by now that that can most likely never happen.

As for the radio today, I didn't listen because I've decided that listening to the radio on Monday is almost unbearable. 2 weeks ago (Friday actually) after the Bengals game, it was the sky is falling. People throwing the towel in before we even played the KC game. That's when I stopped listening to the irrational crap that people spew. I would assume that after the KC win, those same people were booking their flights to Miami.

Unlike what some people have inferred and said, I never bashed Boller or said he played bad yesterday.

He did what I want a backup to do. Win a game when the starter goes down.

It seems that my reaction isn't good enough or doesn't praise Boller's effort enough.

I don't think it's some crazy notion to still be very, very skeptical about this kid's game.

PP

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 12-18-2006, 05:07 PM

Kyle played well today and put up 27 points...Every team inthe NFL would be happy with that and you win 8 outta 10 games when you score that many points.

While I certainly have my doubts about Kyle's ability to be a quality NFL starter in this league, I don't have any doubts about his ability to be a back-up and in that capacity, I think he is one of the top 2 or 3 in the league.

Kyle can play in this league and have a Trent Dilfer like career at the very least. I just don't know how much better he'd be than Dilfer.

**StingerNLG** · 12-18-2006, 05:45 PM

Ahhhh, gotcha PP. Once you clarified that, it made perfect sense.

I don't think it's some crazy notion to still be very, very skeptical about this kid's game.

I would only disagree in saying last night and today isn't the time for it. And I think a lot of people would agree with that. I think by taking time to be skeptical yesterday very much takes away from what Boller did yesterday. And I think people don't realize how important yesterday's game really was in the grand scheme of our season.

While I certainly have my doubts about Kyle's ability to be a quality NFL starter in this league, I don't have any doubts about his ability to be a back-up and in that capacity, I think he is one of the top 2 or 3 in the league.

I would say getting the snap fumbling under control will vastly increase his chances. Seriously, I think any NFL coach who watches game film of Boller uncorking a ball downfield like that would take that in a heartbeat. And I can think of a couple teams that would take a serious look at Boller.

Houston: David Carr has already been pulled twice for Sage Rosenfels this year alone. And I think they are ready for a change at QB there.

Minnesota: Brad Johnson won't last forever. Their backups are Brooks Bollinger and Tavarius Jackson. Unless they draft a QB next year, neither of those are starters.

Oakland: Aaron Brooks and Andrew Walter aren't the answer there either. However, if I were Boller even I'd turn down the chance to play there. That is a hellhole for any player.

A lot can change between now and then too. If Boller can stop fumbling, and still keeps putting up 112 games, the Ravens aren't going to let him go.

**Hook** · 12-19-2006, 08:26 AM

He won the game, and as Drew Forrester said this morning, if we get tot he Super Bowl this will be one of the pivotal games that got us there, and that game belongs to Kyle Boller no matter how much people want to take it away from him.

Drew Forrester sure does make you feel warm and fuzzy with that statement. The truth is everyone on the team can say they helped the Ravens get to Super Bowl, that is, if they get there. On Sunday the table was set in regards for the playoffs. Was it pivotal? You could argue that but throughout the season there have been far more pivotal games. Winning this one against the Browns was sweet and its the one that clinched it. However I never for a second thought that we would lose this game - this was a layup.

There will ALWAYS be those that hate Boller no matter what. You always will have the "well, if you take all his throws away, blah blah.". Or "yeah he threw 2 TD's, but he tripped.". That's what makes Baltimore what it is.

I disagree. You can't commit the entire town because they don't slobber over Boller. The people I speak to about Boller don't hate him, they just are nervous when he is in there. IMO They are justified for feeling that way. Did you see anyone booing him when he threw that TD? Hell no, the place went insane. I think most people are happy with the results and are hopeful that Boller continues to play well as a backup. To date that is all he has earned, maybe down the road something may open up but for now he is what he is.

Lets leave it at that.

**StingerNLG** · 12-19-2006, 10:14 AM

Drew Forrester sure does make you feel warm and fuzzy with that statement.

Give me a break Hook. Drew HATES Kyle Boller as a QB. Has said so on NUMEROUS occasions. But at least he was man enough to call it like he saw it Sunday.

It didn't make you warm and fuzzy that we locked up a playoff berth with that game? That's pretty sad dude.

However I never for a second thought that we would lose this game - this was a layup.

This is why you're not a head coach in the NFL. No game is a "layup".

Ask the Colts who got beat by the Titans.

Ask New England who got SHUT OUT by the Dolphins with Joey Harrington at QB

Any given Sunday any team can win. No game is ever a "layup", EVER.

BTW, you can disagree all you want, but right in this very forum you have people hoping he fails, saying "well, if you take way his 77 yard TD", and everything I just said. It is what it is man.

**Art-Florida** · 12-19-2006, 10:19 AM

"The people I speak to about Boller don't hate him, they just are nervous when he is in there."

Really? Go to YBR and read virtually ANY post by Spike Marlin (or more appropriately-Spite Marilyn)

Closer to home we have Tex (thank the gods for the ignore list) Ritter.

It is people like that who ignite hugger retaliation.

**Hook** · 12-19-2006, 01:05 PM

It didn't make you warm and fuzzy that we locked up a playoff berth with that game? That's pretty sad dude.

Pay attention Stienger... we were talking about feeling warm and fuzy with hopes of winning the super bowl not a playoff berth. Your welcomed to feel warm and fuzzy but what is sad I think you feel that way whenever boller takes the field.

This is why you're not a head coach in the NFL. No game is a "layup".

Don't be a dumb-ass. Seriously don't. Where did you get that notion that they are not. The Browns suck. If you want to Go ahead and tell everyone that they are a great team that's on you and don't be surprised if people are looking at you cockeyed. Every Given Sunday is a just a cliche.

**skaybaltimore** · 12-19-2006, 01:12 PM

For me, Boller remains a very mixed bag. As far as distance and accuracy, I could possibly see SM making that pass to D Williams (although earlier SM -- before he left the game -- did miss Williams after he'd clearly gotten separation on a similar play), but I do NOT see SM hitting Clayton on that 45 yarder right at the sideline. I do not agree that Boller has no accuracy whatsoever. I also do not agree that Boller is a horrible QB. What seemed evident to me watching him on Sunday is that he continues to drive me crazy with his inconsistency.

As far as who deserved the game ball from Sunday, I'd have to say KB. But by the same token, I kept thinking, as the game progressed, that we need to seriously consider drafting a quality college QB (i.e. Troy Smith, is he's available) because I honestly do not think that the sorts of things that undo the positive contributions that KB offers up will ever cease. It seems to me that there will always be a down side to KB's game that will not get fixed simply by being mentored by SMac.

GO RAVENS!!!

**StingerNLG** · 12-19-2006, 01:21 PM

Hook, next time you call me a dumb-ass, don't expect such a kind return.

And you don't know shit about the NFL either. I mentioned two games that apparently you just glossed over because I was right and you were wrong and now you don't know what to other than turn into an asshole.

The fact is, no game is a layup whether you like it or not. And you believing that there is makes you ignorant person when it comes to football.

Now pay attention Hook, and learn to spell my name right or don't address me at all. Understood?

**Hook** · 12-19-2006, 04:30 PM

I mentioned two games that apparently you just glossed over because I was right and you were wrong and now you don't know what to other than turn into an asshole.

Actually you are very wrong. The Dolphins and Titans both have shots at the playoffs, sure its a slim chance but still last I checked they are very much alive. We should have blown the Brown up yesterday, those guys are trying to figure out who they are going to take in next years draft pick. So please spare us and stop with the any given Sunday BS.

You seem to be the one marginalizing or intensifying victories for the sake and convenience of defending kyle Boller. Kyle did OK. Ask around, Some people are afraid when he gets to play. Its nothing personal.

One more thing buddy stop crying like a baby when someone says the slightest of criticism of Kyle Boller. Some people may consider that being an asshole or being a dumb-ass.

I am not a hater
I am not a hugger
I am a Ravens fan.

HOOK

**StingerNLG** · 12-19-2006, 04:50 PM

Listen carefully because I will only repeat this one last time son. Be an adult and act like one. You want to keep personally attacking me to cover your football ignorance, that is fine. But to try and talk about year dolphins and titans like they are playoff contenders is just a poor way to dodge reality. Sounds like you are the crybaby trying to talk shit after being wrong about something

And only someone with ignorance of the game would think that a team could look past any other team in this league.

Now. Act like a big boy and I'll talk to you like a big boy. Otherwise our conversation is over.

**skaybaltimore** · 12-19-2006, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Tex Ritter

So if one would realistically give an unbiased evaluation of Boller you would rate him an A for arm strength, a C for accuracy and a D- for poise/decision making.

Given the two bullseye bombs Boller planted right on the money, I do not agree with your "accuracy" rating, nor do I think anyone looking at the situation even semi-objectively would either. I also do not agree with your D- on decision making. I'd give him a C-, which is below average, and while it's not a D-, I do consider it to be a serious deficiency given his tenure and experience. For me, it's poor enough of a grade to say "pass" on Boller, and look elsewhere for a future QB.

But to say C for accuracy is just way off. By that standard, I think McNair would earn a C- or worse for accuracy, given how many passes of less than 10 or even 5 yards he's been unable to complete throughout the season. Yet, I would still prefer SM to KB with everything on the line, all other things being considered. (i.e. assuming SM is not hurt) I found myself many times throughout the game thinking: "Ok...NOW I understand why they needed to bring in SM, and I'm glad he's here, and I hope we win this game -- Boller makes me very nervous".

GO RAVENS!!!

**Hook** · 12-19-2006, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by skaybaltimore

For me, Boller remains a very mixed bag. As far as distance and accuracy, I could possibly see SM making that pass to D Williams (although earlier SM -- before he left the game -- did miss Williams after he'd clearly gotten separation on a similar play), but I do NOT see SM hitting Clayton on that 45 yarder right at the sideline. I do not agree that Boller has no accuracy whatsoever. I also do not agree that Boller is a horrible QB. What seemed evident to me watching him on Sunday is that he continues to drive me crazy with his inconsistency.

That was a great pass and I was happy Boller connected. He drives many people crazy with his inconsistencies. If we support him, he will be a great raven. I just know it.

Otherwise our conversation is over.

Our conversation has been over the moment You got insulted that I said Kyle did OK and when you got your titties in a knot because some people were taking out some of Boller stats to prove points. I think You are just too busy wipin kyle boller cum off your face to realize it, gheeseman. "Ok" is a C- like SkyBalt said.

**skaybaltimore** · 12-19-2006, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Hook

That was a great pass and I was happy Boller connected. He drives many people crazy with his inconsistencies. If we support him, he will be a great raven. I just know it.

I wish that were the case, but I don't share your optimism that somehow by supporting Boller it'll transfer the necessary confidence to him, or whatever it is that he needs to stop being so hyper when he's standing over the center. Even the announcer noted that Boller was trying to hurry back too quickly away from the center, and that he needs desperately to find a way to get more calm. How much more time and support does he need? I feel I have been a Boller supporter, although not a Boller hugger. I felt that in the past he had gotten an unfair "rap" due to the poor quality of his supporting cast. I thought that the majority of his "trips" were the result of the center stepping on his foot as he was pulling back.

But after nearly a full season of watching McNair, I saw something different yesterday. Boller just falls over his own feet sometimes; does not do whatever it takes to get the snaps cleanly; and just cannot control his focus while in the pocket. I've seen SM execute drive after drive this year that has accomplished exactly what it was intended to do -- control the ball, the clock, keep our D, and the opposing QB, on the bench. Sunday, it was back to the same old: "Uh oh....better hold our breath; you never quite know what Boller's going to do."

It's either feast or famine with him. And personally, I don't like that feeling. And while I'm neither a mind reader nor a lip reader, I could swear that even the players themselves were beginning to feel the same old sort of frustration, albiet mitigated by some of Boller's super passes.

I have nothing against him, but I do not agree that he is or should be the future QB of the Ravens. But I wish him well in his current role as backup QB. I'm just in no hurry to see him again, as long as SM is healthy.

GO RAVENS!!!

**StingerNLG** · 12-19-2006, 08:04 PM

Alrighty Hook. It's apparent that you are a child and can't be a fucking adult. So on top of having very little knowledge when it comes to football, you've also become a dick. Time for a timeout for you little boy. It's on the ignore list for you.

When you think you can be a big boy and talk like the rest of us, let me know and we'll let you come back to the adult table.

BTW, I didn't get insulted. I debated with you. But you turned into a 3 year old child. But since you have the football knowledge of a 3 year old, now I see why.

Now go fuck off.

**Mista T** · 12-19-2006, 08:55 PM

How about everyone take a deep breath and knock off the fuck you's etc..... We all want the Ravens to go to the Super Bowl, regardless of who takes the snaps.

**skaybaltimore** · 12-19-2006, 09:18 PM

Props, Mista T. But this whole Boller thing really seems to bring out the worst in folks.

GO RAVENS!!!

**skaybaltimore** · 12-20-2006, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by Tex Ritter

I am judging Boller based on his entire career, not just this season. So as you can see, McNair is a major improvement over Boller, and his career QB ratings support it.

Not really. Because your criteria are skewed, IMO; particularly the part about "based on his entire career", because it doesn't take into consideration improvement and progress. It sounds to me as if you're living more in the past, while the game is played in the present.

GO RAVENS!!!

**FadeToBlack** · 12-20-2006, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by darb72

fairly well today.

I said it in the game thread and I'll say it here. The coaches should have Kyle run a mile on the treadmill because he looks like a ProBowler when he's not hopping around like a rabbit on crack.

McNair is and should remain our starter, but Boller has proven he can play so we now have two viable QBs we can win with.

I'm not sure of that. Kyle Boller is like a Diet Rex Grossman. He's hot one moment and absolutely stone cold the next. I want a consistent quarterback whose performance I can predict week-to-week in the postseason.