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    How the Obama campaign is different from the Kerry campaign



    Today (9-10-08) was a brilliant day for the Obama campaign. The first day I think he won since his DNC speech which was so quickly overshadowed and then basically buried for two weeks as America circle-jerked it's way around the little ditty from Wasilla.

    Today was a political chess match of moves and counter moves...predicting how your opponent will react to your move and thinking 2 moves ahead at all times. Today Obama moved Mccain into chessmate...if just for the day but for sure, around an important campaign issue.

    I am sure Karl Rove is sitting back tonight thinking, "damn, I didn't see that coming"

    In political campaigns, political sides "own" certain ideas as their own. For example, "Republicans will lower your taxes", it doesn't matter if it is true or not it is what people have been lead to believe. Another example, Democrats take care of the less fortunate". These are classic examples. More current is the idea that "Republicans are tough on terrorism", "Democrats are for the rights of women". These might be true and they might not be but for campaigning purposes they are generally ascribed to one of the parties.

    In 2004, Kerry was "the flip-flopper". He probably didn't flip any more than anyone else but he was given that label and couldn't shake it. Obama is an "elitist" a "celebrity" Mccain is a "maverick", a "hero", "another Bush" etc.

    One of the titles that has been floating around out there in the campaign universe is who is the most belligerent and attack oriented campaigner. Both sides say it is not them and accuse the other side. The American public is getting fed up with it and it is lining up to be possibly an election maker or breaker but what side will get the label?

    This is where Obama's brilliant play comes into view today. It surrounds the "lipstick on the pig" comment. It was a very calculated move on Obama's part and don't think it wasn't intended right directly at Palin...an attempt to reframe her but that is secondary.

    More importantly and the primary reason for the comment was to incite Mccain and did he ever. Obama's move was to make the volatile comment knowing that Mccain would come out and pull the "gender card" and "sexist card" and then Obama's 2nd move was to accuse Mccain of "false outrage" and begin the process of framing him as the cynical campaigner...in short give him that title like Kerry was given the flip-flopper title.

    It was a brilliant move by Obama as he fed the bait and Mccain in his predictable way, took the bait and couldn't back up his claim. First of all, Obama was clearly referring to republican economic policy and more imoprtantly, Mccain has been see on tape 4 times using the same line, once directly against Hillary! How could Mccain think he had a leg to stand on here ??? Really John??? Is this your judgement???

    Hey Mccain! Obama set you up brother and you couldn't resist! It gave Obama an opportunity to revisit his historical campaign speech with the single word you will hear a lot from here on "Enough". What a slogan...it is short and to the point and people understand what it means. Enough Mccain...stop it! It is a call for issues and the republicans after eight years of "nada' have just that "nada"

    Obama had to get to the "Enough" slogan again though and he played his chess match to get there. Brilliant. Let see now if he can reinforce it and indisputably reframe Mccain as the cynical, unethical, dirty, Rovian politician that he is.

    And to think that Palin gave Obama his "in" with her corny joke about pitbulls and hockey moms. Obama should thank her....when it is all over.

    If Kerry could have done this four years ago against Bush...how things might be different.








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    Re: How the Obama campaign is different from the Kerry campaign

    Wow... welcome to Windbag Estates. Again... by affirming what your candidate is trying to push away, you are doing more harm to your candidate of choice. You are actually implying that his lipstik on a pig comment was indeed intended to refer to Palin as a pig? You are a few fries short a happy-meal.

    To attack a woman by calling her a pig would be career suicide. I previously stated that you seemed like a smart guy. I need to re-evaluate that assessment.
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    Re: How the Obama campaign is different from the Kerry campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by xmradiodave View Post
    Wow... welcome to Windbag Estates. Again... by affirming what your candidate is trying to push away, you are doing more harm to your candidate of choice. You are actually implying that his lipstik on a pig comment was indeed intended to refer to Palin as a pig? You are a few fries short a happy-meal.

    To attack a woman by calling her a pig would be career suicide. I previously stated that you seemed like a smart guy. I need to re-evaluate that assessment.
    don't be so naive...the candidates have invested 100's of millions of dollars to put themselves into the most powerful position in the world. This isn't kindergarten XM and don't look for kids gloves. They have agendas to win and the task (unfortunately) is to discredit the opponent as much as possible without being pinned down as doing it. If you think there is anything else going on, like issues?, you haven't even ordered fries with your happy meal yet....in fact you haven't even located McDonalds at this point.

    You keep having a need to say I am smart and then retracting it. Save your time with condescending comments as such and add something unique to the conversation. Reevaluate all you need...it doesn't take but reading a couple posts here to see where people are coming from.

    Obama called Palin out yesterday and Mccain came off looking like the grumpy old man that he is. It was a good day for Obama. Obama's entire campaign from the primaries until now has been carefully scripted and he has paced himself for a 15 rounder. You can hate the guy but if you enjoy politics and elections, there has to be a respect for the mechanisms of his campaign. Yesterdays work opened a new highway for him.

    Now today, we will see Palin's "sending off party" for her son and I wish him as well as all soldier's well as they go fight the neonconservative's hegemonic wars but here is a difference you will see in the two campaigns. Palin will bring her family once again into view for political gain hoping to bait Obama who will, unlike Mccain not take the bait. Her ostentatious manner and fat piggy lips will soon tire in the already overly-american idolized culture as there has been no pacing in her campaign basically because there has been no plan.

    On the other side lets not forget that Biden's son will be going to war soon. You probably didn't know that did you? Why? Because the democrats are not politicizing the their familys nor 9-11. Real coincidental that Palin's son just happens ot be leaving on 9-11. If that doesn't make you sick to your stomach add a couple more fries when you find your McDonalds.








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    Re: How the Obama campaign is different from the Kerry campaign

    More hot air and needless spin from you. I would not change my opinion of you if you actually made sense. I am not 13 years old. I have served this country proudly and I am quite familiar how politics works.

    You can go on believing Senator Obama is so cavalier that he would jeopardize his career by blatantly calling Sarah palin a pig. Watch out for traffic while crossing the street. Horse blinders wreak havoc on peripheral vision.
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    Re: How the Obama campaign is different from the Kerry campaign

    i'll agree with g7 on one thing: the obama campaign has done a much better job of taking the fight to the gop than kerry did. i'm not sure he was trying to "bait" mccain with the "lipstick on a pig" remark but the backlash from the gop can work in his favor because all he has to do is prove mccain has used the same remark numerous times in reference to the clinton health care policies. maybe he wasn't baiting, but he can certainly use the backlash to make the case that mccain is a hypocrite




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    Re: How the Obama campaign is different from the Kerry campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by xmradiodave View Post
    More hot air and needless spin from you. I would not change my opinion of you if you actually made sense. I am not 13 years old. I have served this country proudly and I am quite familiar how politics works.

    You can go on believing Senator Obama is so cavalier that he would jeopardize his career by blatantly calling Sarah palin a pig. Watch out for traffic while crossing the street. Horse blinders wreak havoc on peripheral vision.
    He didn't do it blatantly...that's my point. He did it safely but that soundbite was played over and over again for the entire day and it embeds the idea. Obama said it safely...about economics....Mccain is the one would implies that Palin is a pig with his defensive stance. Mccain really did the dirty work for Obama as well as made himself look hysterical, hypocritical and cynical. I am sure Obama's campaign got more out of it then they expected.

    The ironic thing is that if you look at the comment in the cynical way Mccain wants you to, the "Pig' is really Mccain and the 8 years of Bush. Palin is the lipstick and that which makes it look better. SHE is the improvement! 8 years of failed economic policy is the pig.

    Mccain is so concerned with attacking the character of Obama that he misfired on this one.

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    I owe you an apology then. I misunderstood what you had said. I agree withthe fact that it was strategically calculated. I agree that it was well planned out. So, I am sorry for my misdirected aggressions.
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    Re: How the Obama campaign is different from the Kerry campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by xmradiodave View Post
    I owe you an apology then. I misunderstood what you had said. I agree withthe fact that it was strategically calculated. I agree that it was well planned out. So, I am sorry for my misdirected aggressions.
    Don't sweat it. I am the easy target over here because I am the only one who votes for reasons other than tax cuts and god....oh and amygdala-based fears as well. Its all in fun.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    Don't sweat it. I am the easy target over here because I am the only one who votes for reasons other than tax cuts and god....oh and amygdala-based fears as well. Its all in fun.
    Wow, jsut wow. Sure, it is amygdala-based fears to fear a socialist pig tryign to take all of my moneya nd give it to the poor. And it is voting for reasons other then tax cuts and god to want to have an energy policy not based on magic pixie dust. I hope you don't think for a second your moronic takes inspire any other liberal thinkers do you?




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    Re: How the Obama campaign is different from the Kerry campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Wow, jsut wow. Sure, it is amygdala-based fears to fear a socialist pig tryign to take all of my moneya nd give it to the poor. And it is voting for reasons other then tax cuts and god to want to have an energy policy not based on magic pixie dust. I hope you don't think for a second your moronic takes inspire any other liberal thinkers do you?
    nah...I am not trying to inspire any other progressice thinkers for they already get it. My work here is to inspire folks like yourself to take a greater bite of reality. But like you admit yourself, your little amydala has been tweek something awful by the neocons that you are just a bit too scared.

    Not sure who I have more respect for...those afraid of god, those afraid of the tax man or those afraid of the dark and lurking shadows around the corner. Maybe the shadows??? for I have always enjoyed Jung.

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    Re: How the Obama campaign is different from the Kerry campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    nah...I am not trying to inspire any other progressice thinkers for they already get it. My work here is to inspire folks like yourself to take a greater bite of reality. But like you admit yourself, your little amydala has been tweek something awful by the neocons that you are just a bit too scared.

    Not sure who I have more respect for...those afraid of god, those afraid of the tax man or those afraid of the dark and lurking shadows around the corner. Maybe the shadows??? for I have always enjoyed Jung.

    No problem my messages come free of charge to you. Glad you have been reading them.
    I don't think you understood that I meant htat the fact that you take whatever Mr Obama says hook, line and sinker and enjoy forking over yoru wallet makes you seem a bit foolish. Let's keep funidng SSI and their "modest" 68% administration costs... Let's make Healthcare an equal waste of tax money as well.

    I'm not "Afraid" of anything, I simply think that MOST things hte gov't does, private industry could do MUCH better. Thus, I'd prefer a smaller gov't and a larger paycheck. Beyond that, I liek my politicians to have policy that don't belong in Mother Goose's book of fairy tales. If you would liek to keep believing in a free lunch, by all means be my guest, but I can't believe that an intelligent person would believe these things you spout...




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    Re: How the Obama campaign is different from the Kerry campaign

    How the Obama campaign is different from the Kerry campaign
    Ooh, ooh, Mr. Kotter, Mr. Kotter, call on me!

    The difference is Kerry had a record to run against.




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