The Suggs penalty

**Mwjergs** · 10-05-2008, 06:41 PM

That's correct.
They played an interview with the ref in question on the post game show I listened to on the ride home.
False start is called. If the players continue the play then they let it play out. If let's say the Titans would have completed the big pass play it would have been negated.

The officials should have stepped in and blown the play dead.

**Rayvens52** · 10-05-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Mwjergs

That's correct.
They played an interview with the ref in question on the post game show I listened to on the ride home.
False start is called. If the players continue the play then they let it play out. If let's say the Titans would have completed the big pass play it would have been negated.

The officials should have stepped in and blown the play dead.

That is a such a bullshit rule becuase if they would have thrown a pick it would not count due to the play truly never occuring. The NFL needs to fix this like yesterday, but besides that there should never have been a flag as it was beyond one of the worst calls of the year (besides the Ed.H call in the Denver game)

**Gabrosin** · 10-05-2008, 07:34 PM

It makes perfect sense to me to allow personal foul penalties to be called on dead plays. Otherwise you're saying Suggs could have picked up the QB and broken him over one knee and not get a flag because "the play was dead".

My problem with the call is that THEY BLEW IT. He didn't touch the QB's helmet, his hand came down on Collins' shoulderpad. Just a miserable miserable call.

**ravenwoman** · 10-05-2008, 07:39 PM

There are too many bad calls in the NFL for all of this to be a coincidence. It only takes one referee to make one game changing call. And, if you notice, they are always in the 4th quarter when the other team has no time to recover. Teams in the NFL are fairly evenly matched and there was only a 2.5 point spread. Tennessee won by 3 points. I say no more. No, I say some of these refs are on the take, and you know what I mean.

**festivus** · 10-05-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by UKRavenStockers

Seems that the 5 vs 15 penalty does apply, but it still strikes as it coming down the inability of the officiating crew to whistle a play dead. It'd seem that if it occurs, the 5 vs 15 does apply, but if the officiating crew does their job the 15 yard penalty shouldn't have a chance to occur.

It would seem to me, with a false start and a personal foul, they are *both* dead ball fouls, for different reasons. But a false start should not preclude a subsequent penalty on the same play that would be in the class of personal fouls.

Obviously the call was complete bullshit; I'm just trying to respond to this one point you're making.

**Mwjergs** · 10-05-2008, 10:08 PM

Once the flag was thrown they needed to blow the play dead. They did not and you had the stupidity unfold.

If they make the right call the game is over.

**RavensInBrazil** · 10-06-2008, 12:57 AM

I have never seen them let a play continue after a false start. Regardless of what happens, they always whistle the play dead. Now, I didn't see the Suggs hit, but these refs are clearly either on dope or in on the whole thing. Now I know how SD fans feel

**UKRavenStockers** · 10-06-2008, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by RavensInBrazil

I have never seen them let a play continue after a false start. Regardless of what happens, they always whistle the play dead. Now, I didn't see the Suggs hit, but these refs are clearly either on dope or in on the whole thing. Now I know how SD fans feel

I see plenty of plays "happen" after a false start, or rather the scorer notes them down but they're usually run plays and they stop quickly. However the play doesn't actually "happen", in these cases the head linesman or the side judge (think I've got the right officials there) are usually running in from the sideline signalling for a clock stoppage to call the dead ball foul and the play just goes through because they couldn't hear the whistle. But until this play yesterday and the same on Monday night against the Steelers I don't think I've ever seen them not even attempt to whistle a false start as dead.

**HoustonRaven** · 10-06-2008, 05:20 AM

How many plays were there between the penalty and the final TD?

Some perspective on the penalty. While it was a 100% momentum killer, it wasnt the end of the game and NOTHING like what happened to SD.

Supremely bad call? YES!

Cost us the game? Not by a long shot.

Our D still had a chance to stop them and they didnt.

**3RDRowRaven** · 10-06-2008, 08:03 AM

That was absolute bullshit. The penalty should never have been called because the play never should have been run, and for the SIMPLE FACT THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH HIS HELMET. FUCK THE REF'S! I am so tired of them fucking games up, they should have there game checks taken away when they ruin the game!

Agreed!!! I was like what the fuck!!!

**4G63** · 10-06-2008, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

How many plays were there between the penalty and the final TD?

Some perspective on the penalty. While it was a 100% momentum killer, it wasnt the end of the game and NOTHING like what happened to SD.

Supremely bad call? YES!

Cost us the game? Not by a long shot.

Our D still had a chance to stop them and they didnt.

**Ravenator** · 10-06-2008, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Gabrosin

It makes perfect sense to me to allow personal foul penalties to be called on dead plays. Otherwise you're saying Suggs could have picked up the QB and broken him over one knee and not get a flag because "the play was dead".

Seems the refs of our game had not problem letting the Titans slam Flacco to the ground on an earlier encroachment penalty!!!! If your going to miss the call once, don't call it at all.

**RavensFanIAm** · 10-06-2008, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

How many plays were there between the penalty and the final TD?

Some perspective on the penalty. While it was a 100% momentum killer, it wasnt the end of the game and NOTHING like what happened to SD.

Supremely bad call? YES!

Cost us the game? Not by a long shot.

Our D still had a chance to stop them and they didnt.

Agree 100%. That being said, it still stings, though. No only that, but I was at the game and Trevor Pryce was held twice on that drive alone and not once was it called. I'm just so sick of the refs input (or lack thereof) in games.

But the D had 65 more yards to stop them and they didn't.

**festivus** · 10-06-2008, 10:03 AM

In general (and against both teams, to be fair) this was the worst officiated game we've seen this season.

Oh well, time to go play the Colts.

**bmoreravengirl** · 10-06-2008, 10:16 AM

I can hear it already:

"Personal foul unnecessary roughness, breathing on St. Peyton, 15 yd. penalty, automatic 1st down."

**sailorsam** · 10-06-2008, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Gabrosin

It makes perfect sense to me to allow personal foul penalties to be called on dead plays. Otherwise you're saying Suggs could have picked up the QB and broken him over one knee and not get a flag because "the play was dead".

My problem with the call is that THEY BLEW IT. He didn't touch the QB's helmet, his hand came down on Collins' shoulderpad. Just a miserable miserable call.

I was flipping channels and every commentator I heard (ESPN, NFL network) agreed it was a bogus call.

**Ravenswarrior19** · 10-06-2008, 10:48 AM

If it was a "PF-Blow to the Head" penalty, then I want Flacco's fumble against Pittsburgh called a "PF-Helmet to Helmet on the QB".

On that play, Harrison's helmet hit Joe in the cheek. It wasn't malicious, or even intentional, but the officiating should be consistent. If any brush on the helmet is gonna be "blow to the head", than any helmet contact should be a PF too.

**Ravenator** · 10-06-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenswarrior19

If it was a "PF-Blow to the Head" penalty, then I want Flacco's fumble against Pittsburgh called a "PF-Helmet to Helmet on the QB".

On that play, Harrison's helmet hit Joe in the cheek. It wasn't malicious, or even intentional, but the officiating should be consistent. If any brush on the helmet is gonna be "blow to the head", than any helmet contact should be a PF too.

I think there may have been Malice in Harrison's eyes LOL

**Dave Lap** · 10-06-2008, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

How many plays were there between the penalty and the final TD?

Some perspective on the penalty. While it was a 100% momentum killer, it wasnt the end of the game and NOTHING like what happened to SD.

Supremely bad call? YES!

Cost us the game? Not by a long shot.

Our D still had a chance to stop them and they didnt.

Exactly. The call sucked but the key to the game was our inability to get to Collins on the last drive. He had too much time to throw on many plays. Give any QB that much time with a depleted secondary due to a blitz and he'll beat you.

To Collin's credit, on the one play where we got to him quickly, he unloaded the ball just before the hit for a completion.

Still, you can't entirely fault the defense for the loss either. Holding a quality opponent to 13 points should be enough for a win.

**ravensmaven** · 10-06-2008, 11:58 AM

So did the refs actually blow the whistle and no one was able to hear it? I was at the other end of the field and there is no way I could have heard anything from there. I am still nursing a raw throat from all the screaming. So, does that mean we are too loud and we all bear some responsibility here?

I know this is all pointless anyway since Suggs was called for something he didn't do. Anyone have a link to the video from that supposed beating he put down on Collins? Just in case I am not pissed off enough already...

Anyway, these other stupid penalties must stop. We can't afford them.