Ring of Honor - JO

**Bez513** · 10-09-2008, 08:40 AM

Not sure if anyone noticed this but there was a black tarp covering the spot next to Michael McCrary on the Ring of honor. I can only assume it's for Ogden.

Maybe the Raiders game will be his induction.

**Mike B** · 10-09-2008, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Bez513

Not sure if anyone noticed this but there was a black tarp covering the spot next to Michael McCrary on the Ring of honor. I can only assume it's for Ogden.

Maybe the Raiders game will be his induction.

I saw that also. No question it has to be JO. I think they may hold it for a divisional game later in the Year. Say the Squeelers.
I had another thought when I saw that. A few years down the road do they put another member of the last decade of Raven football in the Ring of Honor. I am not thinking about Ray, (that is a given) but how about Brian Billick?? Keep in mind Ernest Byner is up there. Why not Brian?

**RAVENOUS52** · 10-09-2008, 09:49 AM

Billick is a lock for induction in the Ravens Ring of Honor. In fact, they should place his ROH signage over Ernest Byner's just to be fair!

No coach in the NFL gave as much respect and props to the fans as Billick did while he was here and I definitely want to be there to return the favor when his time for induction comes...

**Jeremiah W** · 10-09-2008, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by RAVENOUS52

Billick is a lock for induction in the Ravens Ring of Honor. In fact, they should place his ROH signage over Ernest Byner's just to be fair!

No coach in the NFL gave as much respect and props to the fans as Billick did while he was here and I definitely want to be there to return the favor when his time for induction comes...

I agree. Now that he is out, I think he deserves a lot of respect. He won us a SB. He deserves as much credit for it as anyone.

He was great with the fans. Even if you disagreed with almost all of his offensive philosophy, he would debate you on the radio and defend his decisions without much BS or "coach speak"

**WxKevin** · 10-09-2008, 11:21 AM

The Ernest Byner induction was for Art and only Art. He didn't do enough with the Ravens to merit an induction.

**Ravenswarrior19** · 10-09-2008, 11:37 AM

Like we all agreed before ...

Steve Bisciotti, Dick Cass, if you happen to be reading this - Just take down Byner's name. Do it quietly on day, maybe in the offseason. The media won't report on it, the fans won't talk about it, no one will say a word.

**RAVENOUS52** · 10-09-2008, 11:49 AM

Hell, I'd rather see the Championship CFL Baltimore Stallions in the ROH than Ernest Byner!

Jermaine Lewis or Priest Holmes (our first 1,000 yard back) deserve induction far more that Byner ever will...

**festivus** · 10-09-2008, 11:50 AM

Here we go again. No thread about the RoH is complete unless most of the posts deal with Ernest Byner.

JO - yes
Billick - yes

Those two, along with Ray Lewis, were the ones who stamped "Baltimore Ravens" on the map of the NFL. I credit the three of them with transforming this team from 'the old Cleveland Browns' to a new team, with its own identity.

**Gwaihir** · 10-09-2008, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by festivus

Here we go again. No thread about the RoH is complete unless most of the posts deal with Ernest Byner.

JO - yes
Billick - yes

Those two, along with Ray Lewis, were the ones who stamped "Baltimore Ravens" on the map of the NFL. I credit the three of them with transforming this team from 'the old Cleveland Browns' to a new team, with its own identity.

AMEN

**Losac** · 10-09-2008, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswarrior19

Like we all agreed before ...

Steve Bisciotti, Dick Cass, if you happen to be reading this - Just take down Byner's name. Do it quietly on day, maybe in the offseason. The media won't report on it, the fans won't talk about it, no one will say a word.

Not while Modell is still alive. When Art passes, I think this may happen, but certainly not before.

As for Billick, going to take a few years for him to be inducted. It'd be ridiculous to do it so soon after he was fired, and probably still some animosity on both sides.

**Jeremiah W** · 10-09-2008, 12:26 PM

How about creating another level or two on the ROH. bump Byner down and add in Holmes, Jamal, maybe Sharper and Goose.

**festivus** · 10-09-2008, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremiah W

How about creating another level or two on the ROH. bump Byner down and add in Holmes, Jamal, maybe Sharper and Goose.

Holmes!!!??? Sharper????!! First of all, that's just stupid, second of all,

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**Jeremiah W** · 10-09-2008, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by festivus

Holmes!!!??? Sharper????!! First of all, that's just stupid, second of all,

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I read it, and the responses. That is why I proposed a solution to some of the problems people have with J.O. being on the same ring as Byner.

Holmes and Sharper helped as much as anyone during the SB season, and since Holmes went on to be borderline HOF, he should get a little love on ROH at least on the Earnest Byner level, right next to Trent Dilfer maybe.

**jonboy79** · 10-09-2008, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremiah W

I read it, and the responses. That is why I proposed a solution to some of the problems people have with J.O. being on the same ring as Byner.

Holmes and Sharper helped as much as anyone during the SB season, and since Holmes went on to be borderline HOF, he should get a little love on ROH at least on the Earnest Byner level, right next to Trent Dilfer maybe.

I actually think it's not the worst idea in the world. It's classless to take Byner off, but it's not classless to "wash him out" by simply overflowing the ring with members, and seperating a few from the heard....

**SHORTTRACK** · 10-09-2008, 01:22 PM

Also to be included in the The Earnest Byner level

**HoustonRaven** · 10-09-2008, 01:37 PM

Holmes and Sharper, while great Ravens, would only cheapen the RoH .... as does Byner's name.

I do not want our RoH to become the Ring of Pretty Good.

**crowdog89** · 10-09-2008, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by RAVENOUS52

Billick is a lock for induction in the Ravens Ring of Honor. In fact, they should place his ROH signage over Ernest Byner's just to be fair!

No coach in the NFL gave as much respect and props to the fans as Billick did while he was here and I definitely want to be there to return the favor when his time for induction comes...

I agree. Coach Billick used to walk across the bridge and wave and talk to us fans on his way into the purple palace....on game days of course.

I also recall him graciously giving his time at the (name escapes me) restaurant in Annapolis after the 2001 season I think it was.

**festivus** · 10-09-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremiah W

Holmes and Sharper helped as much as anyone during the SB season,

Really? As much as Shannon Sharpe? Rod Woodson? Jeff Mitchell? Mike Flynn? Duane Starks? Kim Herring?

Originally Posted by Jeremiah W

and since Holmes went on to be borderline HOF,

(a) No, and (b) with another team. . .

Originally Posted by Jeremiah W

he should get a little love on ROH at least on the Earnest Byner level, right next to Trent Dilfer maybe.

Look. Ernest Byner does not belong on the RoH. But he's there. That's the end of the story. The RoH is what it is: a tremendous honor. Academy Awards remain tremendous honors, notwithstanding that Kevin Costner and Robert Zemeckis have each won one.

But we don't spend every Academy Awards ceremony bemoaning, in retrospect, awards given to Dancing With Wolves or Forrest Gump. We just move on, and figure out who gets one next.

If the whole point of your secondary layers of RoH is to give the team something to do with Byner's plaque, then that's kind of sad. Wouldn't it be easier just to get over it, and worry about JO and maybe BB?

**festivus** · 10-09-2008, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

I actually think it's not the worst idea in the world. It's classless to take Byner off, but it's not classless to "wash him out" by simply overflowing the ring with members, and seperating a few from the heard....

Jonboy, I am surprised to see you picking up this baton. Seriously, you don't think it's easier just to get over it? You would consider a proposal to make a mockery of the whole thing, rather then simply accept that once upon a time, there was a single mistake?

**Mike B** · 10-09-2008, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by RAVENOUS52

Billick is a lock for induction in the Ravens Ring of Honor. In fact, they should place his ROH signage over Ernest Byner's just to be fair!

No coach in the NFL gave as much respect and props to the fans as Billick did while he was here and I definitely want to be there to return the favor when his time for induction comes...

I will be there with you.