I come in peace..

**ravenwoman** · 01-09-2007, 12:00 PM

Why do we allow anyone from Indianapolis on this board? If you love your Indy colts so much, why don't you post there? I don't post on other teams boards, so why can't you respect our space and go home?

**ravensfan1996** · 01-09-2007, 12:00 PM

Ok how about we move the Indianoplis 500 to Baltimore, but all the records and winners and trophy will all now say "baltimore" . We will be build the same exact track with brick finish line and all and call it our own. Not starting a new tradition, not recognizing all those things happened in Indy. Then when you and your father sit down and watch the Indy 500 on tv and its in Baltimore and not indy where you had spent years watching it live with your borther and dad....then you might understand.

The Colts were very much a part of Baltimore, for you to say they didnt "own" them is ridiculus....they were the BALTIMORE colts...not just the Colts....they werent some fly by night expansion team with little team support, they were a storied franchise just like the browns.

Thats what makes us mad, the fact that the records didnt start a new, the irsay's and the nfl gave us the shaft, the same thing happens to cleveland and they get everythng back and a new team in 3 years, not hoping for 12 years to get an expansion team like we had to do , to not give us the expansion teams was a direct insult to Baltimore. A team that helped build the NFL what it is today, played in the "greatest game ever played"....its the combination of it all.

**festivus** · 01-09-2007, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by ravenwoman

Why do we allow anyone from Indianapolis on this board? If you love your Indy colts so much, why don't you post there? I don't post on other teams boards, so why can't you respect our space and go home?

He probably posts there too, first thing after school.

**Pat McGroin** · 01-09-2007, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by festivus

He probably posts there too, first thing after school.

When did they get schools in Indiana?

**jus10rich** · 01-09-2007, 12:13 PM

Well, i do post on the colts board. Why did i come here, because someone there posted a link to this forum talking about the first post on this thread. When i read it, I got a little upset. I can understand the fact that i will never understand the fellings of the old baltimore colts fans because i didnt go though what you all have. I can try, but i will never fully grasp the anger and frustration you guys have. I just wish that you guys could put aside all of that drama for one week and enjoy what will be a great matchup between your hometown team and mine. I am a football fan and there are hundreds of thousands of great football fans that probably wouldn't have been had the colts not moved to indy. Now having said that, im not saying it was the right move or the wrong move. But i for one am gratefull. As much as you are upset. Here's to a great game.

**RAVENOUS52** · 01-09-2007, 12:15 PM

Hey, I love the Baltimore Ravens as much as anybody and always will, but I understand why some would be angered by the imposter Colts playing in Indy.

Retire the name, colors and records of the original BALTIMORE Colts and select a new identity more related to the state of Indiana and start over fresh...

Until that happens, NFL fans and the World at large will always know that:

THOSE PONIES ARE PHONEYS!!

**Pat McGroin** · 01-09-2007, 12:20 PM

Trust me, I'll enjoy myself immensely...should be a good game. Hope the Ravens knock the snot outta the Colts.

No, the drama will never stop until Jimmy-boy "does the right thing".

I'm curious, Justin, would you happen to know what "the right thing" is?

**festivus** · 01-09-2007, 12:26 PM

> i will never fully grasp the anger and frustration you guys have.
Perhaps this is because you haven't read the posts here and elsewhere? Perhaps it's because you can't let go of your feeling that cities do not have football teams?

Lord knows if you'd been reading (between the jibes and the rude remarks directed toward the original poster) you could have started to piece it together now.

Read this, from our local newspaper. It may help you with the problem you seem to be having understanding us (it's the Dear Ravens piece, for those who have read it):
http://tinyurl.com/urkat

**jus10rich** · 01-09-2007, 12:32 PM

Well, i feel like guys are holding your breath under water. The only ones you are hurting are yourselves. Do you think "Jimmy-boy" stays up at night worrying about all of the people that his dad pissed off? I dont think he does. I'm sure that the "right thing" to you guys is what i've read a million times. Give back the colors, the records, and the history. But, its not that common in sports. When teams move, they generally take the name, color etc. with them. It's just the way it is. I know there are exceptions, but generally thats the way its done. Like i said, i didnt go through what you guys did and if it were to happen hear, I would like to think that i would continue to be a colts fan no matter where they move, but i cant say that for sure. Feelings get hurt, angers flair. But i would hope that i would be able to forgive and forget or at least move on and lose the bitterness. I guess i'll never know. You guys definitely have a great team there. I cant wait. Have a good day

**festivus** · 01-09-2007, 12:35 PM

> I would like to think that i would continue to be a colts fan
> no matter where they move, but i cant say that for sure.
Justin, if Indianapolis is anything like Baltimore, you'd be the only one.

We don't need the colors, by the way. We'd like the records, and we'd like you guys to get your own colors, but we have new colors now.

They are purple and black, like the bruises Peyton & Co. will have Sunday morning.

> Have a good day
You too.

**Pat McGroin** · 01-09-2007, 12:38 PM

Well, I held out some hope for you for a minute or two, but alas, I was wrong.

Sucks to be you I guess.

**jus10rich** · 01-09-2007, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by festivus

> i will never fully grasp the anger and frustration you guys have.
Perhaps this is because you haven't read the posts here and elsewhere? Perhaps it's because you can't let go of your feeling that cities do not have football teams?

Lord knows if you'd been reading (between the jibes and the rude remarks directed toward the original poster) you could have started to piece it together now.

Read this, from our local newspaper. It may help you with the problem you seem to be having understanding us (it's the Dear Ravens piece, for those who have read it):
http://tinyurl.com/urkat

Well, i read it. Thanks for the link. That article defintely makes some sense. And i did read through most of the posts on this thread as well. I guess i felt as if some of the fans were going way overboard. I know not everyone is like that. I apologize for any comments I made that offended anyone. Sometimes people (even me) can lose ones composure. Thanks for all the great info. Good Luck Saturday.

**UKRavenStockers** · 01-09-2007, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by jus10rich

Well, i feel like guys are holding your breath under water. The only ones you are hurting are yourselves. Do you think "Jimmy-boy" stays up at night worrying about all of the people that his dad pissed off? I dont think he does. I'm sure that the "right thing" to you guys is what i've read a million times. Give back the colors, the records, and the history. But, its not that common in sports. When teams move, they generally take the name, color etc. with them. It's just the way it is. I know there are exceptions, but generally thats the way its done. Like i said, i didnt go through what you guys did and if it were to happen hear, I would like to think that i would continue to be a colts fan no matter where they move, but i cant say that for sure. Feelings get hurt, angers flair. But i would hope that i would be able to forgive and forget or at least move on and lose the bitterness. I guess i'll never know. You guys definitely have a great team there. I cant wait. Have a good day

I'm on the other side of the pond but I'm sorry that smacks of the changing of the guard and the Colts not being an integral part of the community in Indianapolis which even as an outside and reading both partisan and impartial literature, I know the Baltimore Colts were an integral part of the Baltimore community and just shows your complete ignorance that you can't recognise that.

**jus10rich** · 01-09-2007, 01:00 PM

Well,the Colts are an integral part of the Indy Community. If they were ever to leave us, there would be a huge hole in this community and there would be many hurt feelings. I too would be upset, however i also know that the NFL is a business. Team owners are in it for two reasons:

1) love of the game
1a) to make money

I think knowing that, if the owner decided to move the team, i would be mad, but i would understand that he had to do what he had to do. But like i said, it's easy to discuss this in theory as what i would do, its different for you guys because it actually happened. No hard feelings. Like i said, some of the early posters got under my skin. that all

**Pat McGroin** · 01-09-2007, 01:06 PM

"Give back the colors, the records, and the history. But, its not that common in sports."

Maybe, but certainly not impossible. Just ask the Tennessee Titans.

**Rochardrik** · 01-09-2007, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by jus10rich

The Colts were never yours. The only NFL City that can make that claim is Green Bay. What i dont understand is the animosity towards the colts organization. The man that made the decision to move the franchise is dead. His son was just a few years out of college and had zero input in that decision. You guys are making the Baltimore Ravens fan base look completly ignorant.

You are wrong on all accounts. We had a real owner in Rosenbloom, and the deal made between the two (Irsay and Rosenbloom) would never fly now. Also, the drunken sot owner purposefully strangled the team to make it worse... That's why the city would not negotiate a new stadium. In addition the young irsay dissed us by authoring a degrading song about the team and the city, and at the time, a new stadium was unnecessary, was just his "excuse". In addition, he went behind the back of his gen mgr and traded Elway for a player who never played a down. It was, in fact the most mis-handled, mis-managed team in the NFL, all starting with Irsay's ownership. In short, The reason the colts are in India-no-place lies NOT with the fans, the city, or the lack of a new stadium, but instead falls squarely on the shoulders of the OWNERSHIP!!! The drunken Sot's (Bob Irsay) own mother called him the "devil on earth" ... a direct quote. Now, 30 years of OUR history are entombed in your Graveyard of a burg, and guess what? We will never like it! or forget it! or fail to capitalize on an oppurtunity afforded us to make a statement(as we can and will this weekend) about how strongly we feel about having been screwed! To compare the wrong the Irsays meted out to Baltimore with ANY other teams moving is to compare apples to rocky mountain oysters!

**hurting** · 01-09-2007, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Pat McGroin

"Give back the colors, the records, and the history. But, its not that common in sports."

Maybe, but certainly not impossible. Just ask the Tennessee Titans.

Don't you mean the Tennessee Oilers?

**COLTSVOLS** · 01-09-2007, 02:26 PM

How about them COLTS!!

**Rochardrik** · 01-09-2007, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by jus10rich

You are right about one thing. When all is said and done, Peyton Manning will go down as being the best quarterback of all time. Way ahead of your jonny unitas. At least you got that strait.

What Heresy!!! What ignorance!!! Peyton is a baby whiner who couldn't even begin to lace the shoes of Johhny U. I believe even HE understands that! That is ONE thing I can give him! He is well aware of the greatness of Johhny U! YOU obviously are not! Everything that has been said about this "grudge" we hold pales to the fact that the TOUGHEST qb who ever played the game has his records enshrined "somewhere else". THAT is the crime. That is unconsionable. That is the problem. If we had the history of, say the oilers, the browns, the rams, the chiefs, while these teams surely have their "great players", I for one wouldn't be NEARLY as PISSED. The fact that you don't have a clue in this regard simply screams that you don't have the knowledge to even discuss this with us! JU changed the game, to what it is now! Peyton may well end up w/ more stats, but this is an completely different era,. AND J.U. created it!!!!!

**COLTSVOLS** · 01-09-2007, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Rochardrik

What Heresy!!! What ignorance!!! Peyton is a baby whiner who couldn't even begin to lace the shoes of Johhny U. I believe even HE understands that! That is ONE thing I can give him! He is well aware of the greatness of Johhny U! YOU obviously are not! Everything that has been said about this "grudge" we hold pales to the fact that the TOUGHEST qb who ever played the game has his records enshrined "somewhere else". THAT is the crime. That is unconsionable. That is the problem. If we had the history of, say the oilers, the browns, the rams, the chiefs, while these teams surely have their "great players", I for one wouldn't be NEARLY as PISSED. The fact that you don't have a clue in this regard simply screams that you don't have the knowledge to even discuss this with us! JU changed the game, to what it is now! Peyton may well end up w/ more stats, but this is an completely different era,. AND J.U. created it!!!!!

Why blame all of this on Peyton he has said before that J.U. was one of the greatest quarterbacks in the NFL but that was than and this is know quit living in the past.