Any McNair apologists still out there?

[Mista T]

You don't like $33 million? Sorry, but that's the amount of his contract. About a $7 million cap hit. Spin it any way you want: we are stuck with his multi-million cap hit for 2007, for the NFL's 14th ranked QB.

Complaing about Mcnair at QB when all you have is Boller in the chute is akin to complaining about driving a '75 Corvette Stingray when your other option is a '74 AMC Pacer.

The more correct analogy would be driving your broken down '56 Edsel, running on its last cylinder and ready for the scrap heap, to a new electric car that has potential to take you places, but hasn't been adequately tested.

[Holden McGroin]

You know what else is absurd? Throwing the ball from shotgun at the 5 yard line. They have the WORST run D in the league. If Jamal doesn't get in, we at least get a chance for 3, and somewhat boosts the players confidence. That first McNair pick set the tone for the whole game. They went down that field for nothing.

Also, WTF was Billick thinking throwing the damn ball on 1st and 2nd down, when we were down by only 6 at that point??? Our run game was doing well, and he basically ran the offense like Fassel! Jamal was doing well against their defense, so why not continue? Stick to what works. The passing game DIDN'T WORK.

[RustonRifle]

You don't like $33 million? Sorry, but that's the amount of his contract. About a $7 million cap hit. Spin it any way you want: we are stuck with his multi-million cap hit for 2007, for the NFL's 14th ranked QB.
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I try and deal with facts. It's 32 million BTW.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2478265

The contract signed by quarterback Steve McNair with the Baltimore Ravens is for five years with a maximum value of $32 million, but from a practical standpoint, the deal for the former Tennessee Titans star is structured more as a three-year contract that will pay him $20 million.

Even if the Ravens were to keep McNair around for 5 years at 32 million it's a better deal than Kyle Boller at 5 years -20 million plus a first and second round draft pick.

Steve Young made a point early in the year. "Once a quarterback gets 30 starts in this league you see what you're going to get". I'd agree but you don't have to.


What's next, the Ravens owe Jamal Lewis 26 million? It's all good T.

[UKRavenStockers]

Even if the Ravens were to keep McNair around for 5 years at 32 million it's a better deal than Kyle Boller at 5 years -20 million plus a first and second round draft pick.

That's the one thing that really bugs me when people bring that up, we gave up a 1st and 2nd rounder to get a first round selection. Consequently the net loss was a 2nd rounder, not a 1st and 2nd rounder as some would have you believe.

[POPSinPA]

I tried to tell everyone McNair is a heartbreaker, but was shouted down.
Just another example of why he was and still is a loser.
Takes you to the edge and leaves you hanging.

sad

[RustonRifle]

I look at it as Vince Wilfork (2004 first) and a 2003 second round pick to acquire Boller but like any thing there's many ways to look at it.

I have confidence in the front office to get this straight.

[RavensNTerps]

I agree, about Boller.

I also agree that had he started the game and literally the game went the same exact way (same plays called, passes thrown, and all in all just Boller in there instead of McNair)...that he probably would have been physically attacked on his way out of the stadium.

There is a double standard.

That being said...if there was ever a type of game when Boller would have struggled mightily, it was this one...there was pressure on every passing down.

McNair really has struggled most of the year. Most of us noticed it against Cleveland and San Diego despite winning those 2 games.

When he is bad, he's really really bad.

[ravenwoman]

It's going to be interesting to see what the Ravens do in the off season. They can take 1 of 2 approaches:

1. Try to keep the team intact as much as possible and try one more time next year (like they did in 2001).

2. Slowly dismantle the team by not signing Jamal Lewis, getting rid of Samari Rolle and other high priced aged players.

Since we did not advance further in the playoffs, one has to wonder if this team has it to go all the way. Obviously at 13-3 we are a good team. Are we good enough?

[52RAYVENS]

This is what we got for $33 million? A "whopping" 49.9 rating, two picks, against a mediocre Colts defense. He blew on two potential TD passes to Heap that would have reversed the game. ralph: This loss is squarely on McNair's shoulders. Sorry - no more excuses: after we emptied our warchest, we expected playoff calibre performances. Trent Dilfer, Elvis Grbac, even Anthony fuckin' Wright outperformed this bozo in the playoffs.

On top of that, we may not now be able to afford to keep Adalius.

I say: cut our losses, dump his salary now, eat the rest of his signing bonus. Let's build for the future. We are going nowhere behind an 82 rated QB who chokes in playoffs games.

T, You're a DUMBFUCK!!!! You've shit on McNair all season. We would never have made it this far with your boyfriend Boller and you fucken know it!!!!

Later!

[Mista T]

T, You're a DUMBFUCK!!!! You've shit on McNair all season. We would never have made it this far with your boyfriend Boller and you fucken know it!!!!

Later!

Nice ... did you graduate from the School of Thugs? Just because I never had my nose so far up McNair's ass like some other Ravens fans to be blinded by the hype, and correctly assessed that we were overpaying for an average & aging player .... your best comeback is that I have Boller as a boyfriend.

Very, very weak.

So, outside of name calling, why don't you tell us what a great job McNair did yesterday? Or, how McNair's "strong" arm got us the 13 wins, not our Defense? Or how you have the scoop that he's going to renegotiate his outlandish contract so we can we can keep our Defense intact. Or, that his 14th ranking in the NFL doesn't mean anything because he's got all the "intangibles", which almost won us the game yesterday.

Or, is there anything positive you can state about McNair's performance yesterday with a straight face? I can't. It was the predominant reason why we lost.

[RustonRifle]

renegotiate his outlandish contract

Do you really think McNair's contract is "outlandish"?

I've compiled some dollar figures on 2006 salaries. I used 000 in place of the hundreds part of the salary to save time.

Vick--------------23,102,000
Hasselbeck--------19,005,000
Brady-------------15,654,000
Farve-------------9,500,000
Roethlisberger----9,498,000
Eli Manning-------9,305,000
Brees-------------8,082,000
Plummer-----------7,630,000
Mcnair------------7,501,000
Culpepper---------7,042,000
Rivers------------6,934,000
Collins-----------6,022,000
Brooks------------5,750,000
Delhomme----------5,665,000
Carr--------------5,504,000
Green-------------5,000,000
Losman------------4,481,000
Warner------------4,004,000
Bledsoe-----------4,004,000
McNabb------------4,001,000
Palmer------------3,750,000
Smith-------------3,500,000
P.Manning---------668,000- Surely backloaded for cap relief. Incase anyone wonders where Peyton is.


If you look at the QB's that signed last season , although I would have liked to seen Mac perform better. I think the Ravens got what they paid for .
Sometimes statistics don't complete the picture. The Ravens to a man will tell you how much Mac has meant to the team. Atleast from what I've heard.

[Sephy]

Sometimes statistics don't complete the picture. The Ravens to a man will tell you how much Mac has meant to the team. Atleast from what I've heard.

There's no doubt about this at least. I even saw McAlister with a McNair Touch of Class t-shirt on during the pre-game interviews.

[4G63]

i can't believe some of you want boller in there instead of mac 9. if we would have won the game, you'd all be calling him the savior of the team like everyone did when we were winning during the season. it's startin to sound like a redskins board in here, stop all the whinin. we lost, it sucks, but you can't put the game on one player. mcnair will be back next year and we'll have a helluva season, stop all the cryin and bitchin.

Agreed...he had a shitty game. McNair gets 50% of the blame and Billick gets the other 50. He abandoned the run too early (Jamal looked pretty good last night) and fell into Indy's lap with all the passing into cover 2. If Clayton didn't drop that ball around the 20 yd line, we might not be bitching at all!

[psuasskicker]

Nurse:

Which is exactly why Shanahan made the switch to Cutler, because Plummer could not get the job done when it counted

Comparing McNair with Plummer is ridiculously stupid.

T:

You don't like $33 million? Sorry, but that's the amount of his contract. About a $7 million cap hit. Spin it any way you want: we are stuck with his multi-million cap hit for 2007, for the NFL's 14th ranked QB.

A side-note on RustonRifle's post. I dunno where you got your numbers, and I only actually looked up McNair's, but his is way wrong. His '06 salary was $1MM, not $7.5MM.
http://www.nflpa.org/Resources/Activ....aspx?id=22523

His salary is $3MM next year, then $4MM, then $6MM the last two.

His bonus was $11MM, for the five year deal. That's $2.2MM per year in cap hits. Next year, his cap hit will be $5.2MM, out of a cap that'll be around $105MM.

If we cut him, we get the $3MM salary off the cap, but accelorate the entire remaining bonus amount. That's an $8.8MM cap hit. For those less mathematically inclined, it's $3.5MM more of a cap hit to cut him than to keep him.

If you cut him after the Jun 1 (or is it July?) deadline, you get his $2.2MM cap hit this year and dump his salary, but the $6.6MM goes onto next year when you don't have him anymore. You save his $3MM salary hit this year though.

In '08, his cap hit would be $6.2MM if we keep him, $6.6MM if we cut him, and if we cut him after the deadline we'd only have $4.4MM hit us in '09.

That's the reality of the cap hits we take with and without McNair over the next two seasons...no spin allowed.

My personal feelings would be that I'd hope we draft a QB (Troy Smith late in the second or third round would be nice), and keep McNair around for another year or two to groom him.

- C -

[4G63]

Let it go...that was years ago. We have already absorbed that loss. Now we are going to have to absorb McNair financially. Maybe Cleveland wants him with Jamal.

I wouldn't mind that if we could do something to get JeMarcus Russell out of LSU...he will be very good for some team in the NFL!

[psuasskicker]

FYI, I just looked up the salary caps:
http://www.nflpa.org/cba/cba_pdf/Art...eam_Salary.pdf

'07 - $109MM
'08 and beyond is unset as of now.

Keeping McNair next year, his cap his is less than 5% of our total cap space. Not a burden at all, for a QB that took us to a 13-3 record.

- C -

[StingerNLG]

.... your best comeback is that I have Boller as a boyfriend.

You gotta remember T, when it comes to Boller and these guys, anything you say that doesn't call him names or talk about him like you want him dead; and you're automatically his boyfriend. It's all they have.

[highwater]

Listen up! McNair had a very solid regular season, but in the biggest game of the year, he came up very small. No ifs, ands or buts about it. In a playoff game, he sucked, plain and simple.

That doesn't mean I don't want him back next year, but like T has been saying all along, he's not worth the price we are paying.

[RustonRifle]

PSU, I got my salary info off of Foxsports. I assumed it was yearly salary plus signing bonus.

Here it is if you or anyone else wants to look around.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamSal...tegoryId=67065

[sailorsam]

George Allen's theory was that, you start the best qb you can get your hands on. Right now the Ravens have 3 options, McNair, Boller & Olsen. FA signing and/or draft is a possiblity; trade less likely.
IMHO, McNair is our starter cuz he's the best we could get our hands on. He sure worked out better than Kerry Collins or Dante Culpepper.
dang, I think Boller would be fine if he'd be less anxious and stop tripping twice every game. He wants it too bad, while McNair seems to sleepwalk sometimes.
what FAs are available???