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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?



    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    It's interesting how you left out the QB ratings for those games. His rating was over 94 after the Bye. He had 11 TDs and 5 INTs after the Bye. That's certainly better than pedestrian. His yardage wasn't great during some games, but then again, they often weren't throwing the ball much in the 2nd half of some games this year (159 - NO, 140 - Pitts).

    Once he become acclimated and once Billick took over the playcalling, he played very well. Yes, he was awful on Sat, but let's not let that one game cloud our judgment.
    Well, it was decent. My point was that aside from a few games, it was nothing that teams with a decent QB ooh and aah over. QB rating isn't really all that necessary when you can look at the raw numbers.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephy View Post
    Well, it was decent. My point was that aside from a few games, it was nothing that teams with a decent QB ooh and aah over. QB rating isn't really all that necessary when you can look at the raw numbers.
    No, perhaps not, but he was efficient and with the way this team has been built, he's a good fit. He did what he was asked to do and for most of the season, he did it well.

    And, had he played on Sat to that level, we'd be talking about our upcoming home game this Sunday. As I basically said in another post, one bad last game definitely leaves a bad taste, but that doesn't change what happened before it.
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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    You knew this was coming as soon as we lost.

    Some people hyped themselves so much about this last game that they felt entitled and that this Ravens team was practically ordained to win.

    How in the hell were we so much better than a team that had one stinkin more loss than us with a tougher schedule? Our running game has been mediocre/bad all year against bad run defenses, but everybody wanted to turn a blind eye to that. While everybody was shitting their pants about the completely undisciplined and overrated Bengals (for all their recent praise, they have had one winning season since Marvin has been there), the Colts were virtually a carbon copy...only with more and better offensive weapons, more discipline and a better coach and slightly worse run defense (but much better against the pass).

    McNair stunk, no if and's or but's about it, but some of these threads and comments about us cutting him or having him compete with Boller are just making me

    We are not cutting McNair, there will be no competition and Boller is likely on his way out of the door after next year with us drafting a young QB to groom unless some extreme circumstance arises. This team will revolt if they turn their back on a guy who gave this offense as much productivity as we've seen here because of 2 bad games everybody wants to bitch about. The numbers don't lie...if we got the production out of McNair and the offense after Fassell was fired for all 16 games, we have the number 7 ranked offense...without a consistant/effeciant running game.

    Some of the things I've read are baffling. I've read some people actually say that you combat a cover 2 by throwing deep. WTF...are you kidding me? The cover 2 is designed to primarily take AWAY the deep passes by dropping the safeties...and in the Tampa 2 that Indy runs, the MLB deep. You beat the Colts defense by running the ball...something that we strangely abandoned when we got it working well...not launching bombs. I've heard people calling for Billick to get fired (who didn't know that was coming either). I even heard one guy actually complain about the defense!

    Look, we all are upset and frustrated, but take a deep breath and realize that nobody but the biggest homers thought we would have had the season that we had. We have a lot to look forward to...IMHO, all we have to do is find a way to get the Running game averaging over 4 ypc again consistantly and we are back in the thick of things next year.




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    You knew this was coming as soon as we lost.

    Some people hyped themselves so much about this last game that they felt entitled and that this Ravens team was practically ordained to win.

    How in the hell were we so much better than a team that had one stinkin more loss than us with a tougher schedule? Our running game has been mediocre/bad all year against bad run defenses, but everybody wanted to turn a blind eye to that. While everybody was shitting their pants about the completely undisciplined and overrated Bengals (for all their recent praise, they have had one winning season since Marvin has been there), the Colts were virtually a carbon copy...only with more and better offensive weapons, more discipline and a better coach and slightly worse run defense (but much better against the pass).

    McNair stunk, no if and's or but's about it, but some of these threads and comments about us cutting him or having him compete with Boller are just making me

    We are not cutting McNair, there will be no competition and Boller is likely on his way out of the door after next year with us drafting a young QB to groom unless some extreme circumstance arises. This team will revolt if they turn their back on a guy who gave this offense as much productivity as we've seen here because of 2 bad games everybody wants to bitch about. The numbers don't lie...if we got the production out of McNair and the offense after Fassell was fired for all 16 games, we have the number 7 ranked offense...without a consistant/effeciant running game.

    Some of the things I've read are baffling. I've read some people actually say that you combat a cover 2 by throwing deep. WTF...are you kidding me? The cover 2 is designed to primarily take AWAY the deep passes by dropping the safeties...and in the Tampa 2 that Indy runs, the MLB deep. You beat the Colts defense by running the ball...something that we strangely abandoned when we got it working well...not launching bombs. I've heard people calling for Billick to get fired (who didn't know that was coming either). I even heard one guy actually complain about the defense!

    Look, we all are upset and frustrated, but take a deep breath and realize that nobody but the biggest homers thought we would have had the season that we had. We have a lot to look forward to...IMHO, all we have to do is find a way to get the Running game averaging over 4 ypc again consistantly and we are back in the thick of things next year.
    Quit making sense!! We're all still venting!!




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    You knew this was coming as soon as we lost.

    Some people hyped themselves so much about this last game that they felt entitled and that this Ravens team was practically ordained to win.

    How in the hell were we so much better than a team that had one stinkin more loss than us with a tougher schedule? Our running game has been mediocre/bad all year against bad run defenses, but everybody wanted to turn a blind eye to that. While everybody was shitting their pants about the completely undisciplined and overrated Bengals (for all their recent praise, they have had one winning season since Marvin has been there), the Colts were virtually a carbon copy...only with more and better offensive weapons, more discipline and a better coach and slightly worse run defense (but much better against the pass).

    McNair stunk, no if and's or but's about it, but some of these threads and comments about us cutting him or having him compete with Boller are just making me

    We are not cutting McNair, there will be no competition and Boller is likely on his way out of the door after next year with us drafting a young QB to groom unless some extreme circumstance arises. This team will revolt if they turn their back on a guy who gave this offense as much productivity as we've seen here because of 2 bad games everybody wants to bitch about. The numbers don't lie...if we got the production out of McNair and the offense after Fassell was fired for all 16 games, we have the number 7 ranked offense...without a consistant/effeciant running game.

    Some of the things I've read are baffling. I've read some people actually say that you combat a cover 2 by throwing deep. WTF...are you kidding me? The cover 2 is designed to primarily take AWAY the deep passes by dropping the safeties...and in the Tampa 2 that Indy runs, the MLB deep. You beat the Colts defense by running the ball...something that we strangely abandoned when we got it working well...not launching bombs. I've heard people calling for Billick to get fired (who didn't know that was coming either). I even heard one guy actually complain about the defense!

    Look, we all are upset and frustrated, but take a deep breath and realize that nobody but the biggest homers thought we would have had the season that we had. We have a lot to look forward to...IMHO, all we have to do is find a way to get the Running game averaging over 4 ypc again consistantly and we are back in the thick of things next year.
    Very good post, RaveninWoodlawn.




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    If I were the Ravens, this is what I'd tell McNair to do:
    1) Go get whatever surgeries, rehab, whatever done this offseason.
    2) STUDY THE COVER 2 UNTIL YOUR EYES BLEED.

    More and more teams are going to put the cover 2 on the Ravens if McNair can't play it.




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Amazing how many of you just dont see the big picture. With out McNair we never would have had the chance to be in that game.




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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by section553 View Post
    Amazing how many of you just dont see the big picture. With out McNair we never would have had the chance to be in that game.

    I BLEED RAVEN PURPLE!!!




  9. #57

    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    I purposely waited a few days to post on this thread because of the negative feelings about the game. RaveninWoodlawn hit it right on. I for one cant wait to see McNair next year with a full offseason working with this offense. He was everthing I hoped he would be this year (minus Saturday of course) and stayed healthy to boot. Props to Mac9.




  10. #58

    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by deuce View Post
    I He was everthing I hoped he would be this year (minus Saturday of course) and stayed healthy to boot. Props to Mac9.
    Umm, the only problem there is you can't subtract Saturday from the season! McNair had a solid year but in the most important game of the season, he laid an egg, plain and simple. And I thought that's why he was brought here, to win these types of games.

    Look, I like the guy, I'm glad he's here, but even he would admit he sucked in this game, so let's stop making excuses for him.




  11. #59

    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sephy View Post
    If I were the Ravens, this is what I'd tell McNair to do:
    2) STUDY THE COVER 2 UNTIL YOUR EYES BLEED.

    More and more teams are going to put the cover 2 on the Ravens if McNair can't play it.
    Either that or something similarly passive, if they don't have the personnel for the Cover 2.

    That said we shouldn't have anything to fear *if* the FO finds a way to fix the running game with the right personnel moves (or non-moves).

    It seems like every year someone or other steps up unexpectedly and I find myself thinking, how could the FO possibly have known how well this would turn out. This year it seemed like just about everything from Steve McNair to Adam Terry & Trevor Pryce to Dawan Landry.

    This offseason I hope Ozzie points the magic wand at our running game.
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    Re: Any McNair apologists still out there?

    gonna sound absurd, but in the big picture, how much does one season of football matter in our lives?




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