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  1. #25
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    Re: Why the McNair gravy train has peaked, and I'm off that bandwagon



    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post

    Now maybe Kyle can get some love and support.
    I always said that I thought Boller would be OK if he could get time to pass. When he fumbled while running to the sideline in the Denver game, I lost ALL hope. IMO, he'll be a backup as long as he is in the NFL...




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    Re: Why the McNair gravy train has peaked, and I'm off that bandwagon

    You know Dave, you make some good but then you go and say you think Ogden retiring is something good?

    You bitch at Ray because of what exactly? Did you not bother to listen to just about every player this season "slob over McNair" as you like to put it. Hell, Brian Billick was probably the biggest culprit. Stop singling out Ray just because you have a hard on to bash him.

    Ray's over the hill huh? He's the starting MLB on the #1 D. He was ALL over the field on Saturday. Maybe your gonna blame him for tipping those 2 balls that could've been INTs huh? You still think the team drafted Ngata just for Ray? Please, the guy was GREAT this season and is gonna be the anchor of the Dline for a decade.

    The McNair debate has alot of merit and deserves major discussion. Ripping the heart and soul of the D after the season and game they had is RIDICULOUS. Talk about pot calling the kettle black. You get on people for bitching about Boller yet you have the nads to bitch about Ray right now?

    No, onto the topic at hand.

    Stinger basically nailed it in his post above. McNair isn't going anywhere and in all liklelihood will be the starter next season. Boller's contract will be interesting to watch. Could the FO decide to throw him an offer this offseason and see if he bites? Then they can go in next year knowing that Boller will be around and can step in if McNair goes down or needs to be benched.

    And of course, if we draft a QB any higher than say, the 4th round, then the writing might be on the wall.

    It will be interesting.

    PP




  3. #27

    Re: Why the McNair gravy train has peaked, and I'm off that bandwagon

    Thats the irony here. Mason, for all his hate on Boller and longing for McNair in the offseason, sees that his production has gone down. And while he wouldn't directly hate on McNair, I think its clear that he knows McNair isn't able to get him the ball.
    CBD, when was Mason hating on Boller? I have never heard Mason say a negative thing about Boller. I've even been told that was Mason's attitude "off the record" as well.

    I don't know what Mason thinks of McNair at this point. And I am not even going to try and speculate. As I said, Mason has pretty much spoken his mind time and again; and not always to my liking I might add. McNair was the QB this year, not Kyle. So underappreciated might be directed at McNair. He never mentioned him by name so I am not assuming as such. If Mason wants to throw a player under the bus, I think he'd just come out and do it.




  4. #28

    Re: Why the McNair gravy train has peaked, and I'm off that bandwagon

    Yeah, good to talk to you again too Stinger.

    I'll go with what Stinger said, actions speak louder than words, and the FO will do the "speaking" soon.
    Season over, guess I'll have to start drinking beer again...




  5. #29

    Re: Why the McNair gravy train has peaked, and I'm off that bandwagon

    Pretty predictable thread...




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    Re: Why the McNair gravy train has peaked, and I'm off that bandwagon

    Quote Originally Posted by Sports Steve View Post
    Look at Manning's stats in the game and look at McNair's. They are almost the same. It's just the Ravens didn't get the breaks at the right time.


    No it's that when an old QB plays poorly the moron kneejerk fans call him washed up but when a younger QB plays poorly it's just an off day. It's the same mindset that got Frank Robinson run out of Cin at 30 and Roger Clemens out of Bos at 35. If people honestly think S McNair isn't capable of winning the Super Bowl next year their nuts. Now if they have someone better in mind I'd love to hear it.
    The Steelers: Still looking for a legit Super Bowl victory.




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    Re: Why the McNair gravy train has peaked, and I'm off that bandwagon

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Nurse View Post
    Look at McNairs stats throughout his career and this season oh short sited one. He is a mental midget! Hey how bout that Denver game....nice throw in the endzone huh.......to Champ Bailey
    You really wanna bring up road performances vs. Denver?

    PP




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    Re: Why the McNair gravy train has peaked, and I'm off that bandwagon

    Quote Originally Posted by F Angelos View Post
    No it's that when an old QB plays poorly the moron kneejerk fans call him washed up but when a younger QB plays poorly it's just an off day. It's the same mindset that got Frank Robinson run out of Cin at 30 and Roger Clemens out of Bos at 35. If people honestly think S McNair isn't capable of winning the Super Bowl next year their nuts. Now if they have someone better in mind I'd love to hear it.
    One thing about next year. . . I would expect in a league of copycats, whatever it was the Bills and Indy did at the end of this season, we should count on seeing a lot of it next season.

    Hopefully we will do something to put more muscle into our running game in the off season.

    Old and young qb's both have bad days. Coaches too.
    Festivus

    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




  9. #33

    Re: Why the McNair gravy train has peaked, and I'm off that bandwagon

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    You really wanna bring up road performances vs. Denver?

    PP
    Or road performances period?




  10. #34

    Re: Why the McNair gravy train has peaked, and I'm off that bandwagon

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Or road performances period?


    PP




  11. #35

    Re: Why the McNair gravy train has peaked, and I'm off that bandwagon

    Honestly, I think you have to play to your highest ceiling when you play offense, NOT the safest play.


    This is why the Titans went with Vince Young over keeping McNair.

    Why Grossman is still the starter in Chicago (and they're still in the playoffs)

    Why Jay Cutler is the guy in Denver

    Why Kurt Warner gets demoted in favor of Lineart.



    The problem with Boller is that we tried to Dilfer-ize him. And he had a shit o-line when he was learning the ropes, with shit WRs and no Todd Heap.


    But when I look at how the Bears handled Grossman, I got a lot of love there. Stick with your guy.


    I think Boller can and should be the guy when you look at his last 8 or 9 games.


    And I'm sure PP and the usuall suspects think I'm crazy.


    But call me crazy, I'd rather seen Boller in against Indy, had Billick open it up, and have Boller throw 1 TD to 3 INTs. At least we would have gotten a TD on the board.


    But, for that matter, Boller hasn't had that type of game in a while (Cleveland), and even then he put up points for us.


    170 and 2 INTs just doesn't give me any reason to pull for McNair other than the fact that I'll be stuck watching him as our starter next year.




  12. #36

    Re: Why the McNair gravy train has peaked, and I'm off that bandwagon

    McNair did make some idiotic mistakes that pretty much ended up costing us the game, but I'm not ready to throw him under the bus just yet. I mean, he did lead us to our best regular season record ever, as well as helped heal a lot of open wounds in the locker room.

    His sole deep throw of the game was on the money, only the football gods didn't seem to be on our side Saturday (Clayton fumbles). Remember the year we won it all? Seemingly EVERY bounce of the football went our way! Against the Colts...Not so much.

    No problem.

    As a fanbase there's no adversity we can't overcome. I know that after enduring 12+ seasons of my life without an NFL franchise, having the Ravens make the playoffs and win an AFC North Title in 2006 ain't too shabby at all!

    UNLEASH THE BEASTS!!!!




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