another hypocrite

**SoBoNut** · 08-03-2009, 06:45 PM

Another connie moralist has to hit the highway.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. – The Tennessee state senator said he was opposed to sex outside marriage, but his private life told a different story: He was having an affair with his 22-year-old intern.

When an extortion plot exposed married Republican Sen. Paul Stanley's illicit relationship, he said he would be "clearing up" misimpressions later. He's now clearing out his office, the latest politician caught in a sex scandal, this one made worse by not coming clean.

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**Galen Sevinne** · 08-03-2009, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by SoBoNut

Another connie moralist has to hit the highway.
full story

So was he also a Promise Breaker or from the C Street boyz? Its good news...while maybe both sides are as equally guilty, the connies can't really be seen as the party of family values anymore or whatever their latest term is for their perceived morally privledged selves.

Welcome Comrade!

**Rochardrik** · 08-04-2009, 11:17 AM

Why "they " are having so much trouble with "obamacare" right now is because they are in unchartered waters. It's no secret , any dummy can see that this is a huge task. There are too many intangibles to deal with, and I hope they get it right. As bad as our health care system is, and it's bad..... most particularly the expense, I have no problem with taking a sensible, let's get it right approach
which may cause some delays. It is as big a factor to our economy as any other single entity, and to condemn the process is foolish!
P.S. Of course, the right wing nuts are no strangers to being foolish. Their prattle on the radio and TV should show ANYONE what fools they are... but for the most part, the GOP is sucking it down like so many Zoloft tablets. I watched a bunch of idiots comparing the cash for clunkers to "cash for cluckers" and a host of other moronic comparisons, and came away wondering if there are ANY republicans left with the capability to reason, or have a logical thought... And decided in the negative. They are killing the conservative movement, not helping.... Forget the facts, I'm going with Lushbaugh... It makes me feel superior. Tssk, Tssk... or should I be making a clucking sound?

**jonboy79** · 08-04-2009, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Rochardrik

Why "they " are having so much trouble with "obamacare" right now is because they are in unchartered waters. It's no secret , any dummy can see that this is a huge task. There are too many intangibles to deal with, and I hope they get it right. As bad as our health care system is, and it's bad..... most particularly the expense, I have no problem with taking a sensible, let's get it right approach
which may cause some delays. It is as big a factor to our economy as any other single entity, and to condemn the process is foolish!

Absolutely, I hope they at least take the time to allow everyone to read the thing before they vote on it. I see no reason to rush another MONSTER piece of legislature foolishly and make a mess of it, YET AGAIN.
The secretive, rush, rush, hurry, hurry has been my single biggest problem with the administration. They simply REFUSE to think things out completely before acting.

**Galen Sevinne** · 08-04-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by TRAP

Take the time to read it?

The only ones that read it are the ones that wrote it.

Its about 10,000 pages long and again, Spector lied his ass off
saying he read every word of it.

pleeeease. you guys believe anything thrown at you. this healthcare bill has been in the process for months now. every congressman, if they want to, has had plenty of time to understand it. what do you think the dozens of staffers do all day?

There is so much mounting evidence out there right now about how much money republicans AND blue dogs are receiving from the insurance industry and big pharm that it is sickening. geeezzzz when the previous CEO of CIGNA comes out with a ringing endorsement of "Sicko" one just begins to understand the monopoly on healthcare that insurance holds and how much in their pockets the GOP and blue dogs are.

To cover that up, GOP leaders and insurance lobbyists begin a process of confusing peope to the point where they are afraid t act.

"The bill is too big to read? Really????? Too funny

"Obama wants to ration off the elderly!" Another good one...maybe so he can bring his fellow Kenyan birhters over.

If you guys were really conservative and understand market competition as well as you like to believe, you would see how there is no true market competition in healthcare and one would hope that if you really have any idea of what you are talking about, you would be astonished and upset with the fleecing you are receiving at the hands of the industry.

But still you complain and cry out about the simpliest of illusionary arguments..."they haven't even read the bill" That is too funny.

**jonboy79** · 08-04-2009, 01:25 PM

Check page 425 of the bill where it allows for councelling, suggesting and paying for assisted Suicide.
Rationing for old people is not the worst of it. How abotu when your 80 year old grandmother finds out she has lung cancer, and the gov't says they will nto pay for chemo or radiation, but will pay for cyanide.... Of that your 90 year old grandfather forgot abotu hsi councelling session,a nd is now cut off completely becuase he didn't submit himself for suggestions of suicide.

Yes, end of life councelling will be REQUIRED by all those seniors looking for "free" healthcare. If they do not take the gov't's suggestion to end their own life, they will have to pay for their own healthcare.

**Galen Sevinne** · 08-04-2009, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Check page 425 of the bill where it allows for councelling, suggesting and paying for assisted Suicide.
Rationing for old people is not the worst of it. How abotu when your 80 year old grandmother finds out she has lung cancer, and the gov't says they will nto pay for chemo or radiation, but will pay for cyanide.... Of that your 90 year old grandfather forgot abotu hsi councelling session,a nd is now cut off completely becuase he didn't submit himself for suggestions of suicide.

Yes, end of life councelling will be REQUIRED by all those seniors looking for "free" healthcare. If they do not take the gov't's suggestion to end their own life, they will have to pay for their own healthcare.

Its amazing to me that a grown adult ( I am assuming you are a grown adult but maybe I am wrong) but it is amazing that you actually believe that healthcare reform will include the dispensing of cyanide tablets to kill people.

That is absurd. It blows my mind. We have a President that is not only incredibly intelligent but compassionate and able to create the change that most Americans want if they could just stop believing stories like Obamacare wants to give cyanide tablets to senior citizens. Are f*#king serious?

Here read this and learn something. Its good for the brain.

SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
(a) MEDICARE.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
(A) in subsection (s)(2)—
(i) by striking "and" at the end of subparagraph (DD);
(ii) by adding "and" at the end of subparagraph (EE); and
(iii) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:

"(FF) advance care planning consultation (as defined in subsection (hhh)(1));"; and (B) by adding at the end the following new subsection:

"Advance Care Planning Consultation

"(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:

"(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.

"(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.

"(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.

"(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State lega lservice organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).

"(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

"(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include—

"(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;

"(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and

"(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a healthcare proxy).

**jonboy79** · 08-04-2009, 03:49 PM

And you post somethign that shows that seniors who wish to be covered are REQUIRED to have a consultation every 5 years to go over end of life options...
I'm not sure where the breakdown is... In some states where this is legal, private insurance has already started the process of limiting life saving measures on older Americans in favor of Euthanasia, that will be paid for.

You are completely on Crack, if you think that the government was not thinking of such measures when writing this legislature. It is abundantly clear that the healthcare of the elderly will decrease if we move to a socialist policy. It only makes financial sense. There are too many Baby Boomers and not enough wage earners for the system to survive.

**Galen Sevinne** · 08-04-2009, 04:09 PM

Based on the things you guys post about, I would be in favor of all conservatives being mandated to a mental health screening every five years to make sure you can still see reality with at least a 50% accuracy rate. If you can't, you would then be counseled on the use of a lobotomy procedure so that your looney ideas can no longer get in the way of sensible progress!

**jonboy79** · 08-04-2009, 04:14 PM

I'd suggest a lobotomy for you, but I think it'd be a fruitless mission. I might as well just check the Huffington Post for your next post. Obamabots- GO!!!!

Woohoo, classic Galen. Has nothign to refute my post, so he attacks the poster. business as usual.

**Galen Sevinne** · 08-04-2009, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

I'd suggest a lobotomy for you, but I think it'd be a fruitless mission. I might as well just check the Huffington Post for your next post. Obamabots- GO!!!!

Woohoo, classic Galen. Has nothign to refute my post, so he attacks the poster. business as usual.

Ah I think I refuted your claim that Obama wants to use Cyanide on Senior Citizens. You basic premise is so flawed there is nothing else to refute. I don't know where else a sane person goes with your cyanide argument. But if you want to show me in the bill where it says that I am all ears. This is where you usually tap out.

Good night Jonboy.

**jonboy79** · 08-04-2009, 04:38 PM

If a senior has this meeting, and their affairs are in order, why have them meet again? Why must they consult the all knowing soothsayers of Doom in the administration every 5 years to make sure they have a living will?

And It's not like this is all coming from thin air, the tactics I speak of are currently used in places like Oregon where "end of life care" is legal. It was obviously embedded halfway through this monstrosity for a reason? Do you really see this as a manner of cutting costs in ANY WAY if I am incorrect? NO, it would be a way of INCREASING costs if they plan to help extend these poor old people's lives.

Ok maybe it's morphine instad of Cyanide. Big deal.

Oh and BTW, Palliative care, is a Euphamism for assisted suicide. It is intentionally NOT halting the progress of a disease to allow a patient to expire painlessly. The bill empowers physicians to make the call whether to attempt to extend a patients life or not.

This portion of the bill is specifically there to LIMIT the life extending care to older Americans. Again it is simple economics driving this.

**Dade** · 08-04-2009, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by TRAP

Take the time to read it?

The only ones that read it are the ones that wrote it.

Its about 10,000 pages long and again, Spector lied his ass off
saying he read every word of it.

I once heard a Sentaor ( cant remember the name) say that Congress never reads any bill. If they did nothing would get passed, they would spend all their time reading.

And its not just this administration. No one read the Patriot Act or No Child Left behind Act.

**jonboy79** · 08-04-2009, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Dade

I once heard a Sentaor ( cant remember the name) say that Congress never reads any bill. If they did nothing would get passed, they would spend all their time reading.

And its not just this administration. No one read the Patriot Act or No Child Left behind Act.

haha MY personal FAVORITE, the Every Child Held Back act. The dumbing down of our schools was bad enough before that. Mainstreaming, and the lack of cajones by schools to seperate children by skill level are exactly the problems that are exacerbated by that quality piece of legislature.
If public schools challenged anyone with half a brain, we might not be headed in the wrong direction as a society. There is a reason we are getting overtaken by the far east as a world power.

**Dade** · 08-04-2009, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

haha MY personal FAVORITE, the Every Child Held Back act. The dumbing down of our schools was bad enough before that. Mainstreaming, and the lack of cajones by schools to seperate children by skill level are exactly the problems that are exacerbated by that quality piece of legislature.
If public schools challenged anyone with half a brain, we might not be headed in the wrong direction as a society. There is a reason we are getting overtaken by the far east as a world power.

As much as I love america, I hate what we have become. It all starts with education. But we have grown fat, dumb and lazy. We want everything spoon fed to us. It is the biggest if not the only reason we have fell behind Asia. Just look at Japan. They dont take education for granted.

Trap - I dont believe Specter read it the whole thing.

**4G63** · 08-05-2009, 09:55 AM

"In a fee-for-service system, a dead patient is a revenue loss. In a socialized system, a dead patient is a cost-savings."

**Rochardrik** · 08-06-2009, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by 4G63

"In a fee-for-service system, a dead patient is a revenue loss. In a socialized system, a dead patient is a cost-savings."

And in a fee for service system, refusal to insure a patient with a pre-existing condition is a cost savings... and a moral wrong!

**Galen Sevinne** · 08-06-2009, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Rochardrik

And in a fee for service system, refusal to insure a patient with a pre-existing condition is a cost savings... and a moral wrong!

I don't think conservtives respond to issues of morality...morality never made anyone any richer so it is a moot point for them. The only way conservatives will care about healthcare reform is if it somehow helps them only, makes them richer only AND doesn't somehow give minority groups a leg up in life.

That would be the conservative trifecta.

**jonboy79** · 08-06-2009, 05:13 PM

Yes, conservatives have a problem with policies that reach into the pockets of hardworking Americans(of any ehtnicity) steals money, and hands it over to lazy mofo's sitting on their couch(of any ethnicity or legal status).

I applaud the idea of healthcare reform, but they aren't reforming anything, simply socializing. Why don't they worry about the root of the problem, not hte superficial effects. Worry about the root of the disgusting costs, and then worry about whom collects and pays for it later. You are not saving me money or bettering my service by changing the owners of the bank accounts, and forcing my involvement.

**RockGod** · 11-16-2009, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne

Based on the things you guys post about, I would be in favor of all conservatives being mandated to a mental health screening every five years to make sure you can still see reality with at least a 50% accuracy rate. If you can't, you would then be counseled on the use of a lobotomy procedure so that your looney ideas can no longer get in the way of sensible progress!

Translation;

If you don't adhere to believing what the government tells and stop thinking for yourself, then you should be placed in an indoctrination center until you do.