Brilliant

[Galen Sevinne]

I don't buy the efficiency and admin cost claims. Medicare would be more then a handful of years from bankrupt if that were the case.

Sure Medicare is in danger of going bankrupt, no one denies that. Obama has been saying that forever. Private insurance would also be in danger of going bankrupt if they were not planning on doubling the prices of your premiums in the next ten years.

The difference between private insurance not going bankrupt and medicare going bankrupt is that private insurance can do two things medicare can't. Pay attention here;

1. Raise your premiums as much as they want

2. Deny you services as much as they want

Therefore they will not go bankrupt. This is what the debate is about. Using the "medicare is going bankrupt" is a strawman argument and is a basic fallacy when you use it in a context that private insurance won't go bankrupt.

Set the two up apples for apples and medicare will out perform private insurance based on a 3% overhead vs. 20% overhead. That is just basic Business 101.

[Galen Sevinne]

I'm waiting on your logical retort to my logical retort......

At 4:18 in the video the narrator says;

"Fire insurance is free for everyone, Paid for with our tax dollars with no one skimming off the top just like health insurance should be"

Maybe it could have been said clearer but this is serious nitpicking! "Free for everyone" meaning we don't pay an actual monthly premium per se but it is paid for by "our tax dollars".

If you want to argue that point, I give up and will go play in Effo's sandbox. Of course a public option will have to be paid for from tax dollars...no one has argued against that. I am not sure what your logical retort is???

[jonboy79]

Set the two up apples for apples and medicare will out perform private insurance based on a 3% overhead vs. 20% overhead. That is just basic Business 101.

This is the part I don't buy. Not in the slightest. I'd like to see accurate figures here. Complete figures, not fudged figures due to no oversight.

[Galen Sevinne]

A recent poll by the AARP shows how little this country understands about the public option and as a result, why it has been so hard to push through;



As reported at TPM:

Nate Silver wrote a post last night flagging an AARP poll, the upshot of which is that Americans don't seem to have any idea what the 'public option' even is. As Silver notes, the fact that only 37% of respondents correctly identified what the 'public option' was, and the fact that respondents were only given three options, shows that random guessing would have produced pretty much the same result.

A big part of the reason randon guessing on the poll would yield no better correct responses is the power of the Right to confuse the debate. The reason the Right does this is because they are the party of big business and Corporate America. So in essense, they refuse to do what is right for the average american in lieu of doing what is right for Corporate USA. One would hope for this process being better exposed.