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  1. #25

    Re: Ravens and AD Far Apart On Deal



    Interesting. I *know* I've heard football players use the term "mike" for pass rushing LB, in a game for instance before the snap the quarterback might call out "55 is the mike!"

    I learn something new every day.
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  2. #26

    Re: Ravens and AD Far Apart On Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    Interesting. I *know* I've heard football players use the term "mike" for pass rushing LB, in a game for instance before the snap the quarterback might call out "55 is the mike!"

    I learn something new every day.
    Well, it's not that what you're saying is wrong, because every offense/defense has different terminology for certain situations/players.

    It's just the SAM/WILL/MIKE terminology to describe at what LB position a player plays is a pretty widely accepted way to refer to them.

    On my HS team, our calls were very odd. Our SS that played in the box was the "fruit" meaning whenever a defense was called that said a fruit name, he'd be blitzing in that gap (4-3 Base Strong Apple (SS would be blitzing strongside A gap). Our MLB used animal names, and our outside backers used ladies names.

    So it's completely subjective what you call certain positions, but the it seems the standard on a 4-3 uses the SAM-WILL-MIKE naming scheme, at least from a fan's perspective.
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  3. #27

    Re: Ravens and AD Far Apart On Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleRulz View Post
    This defense does not run around AD, nor is AD the defense. AD is great in this system. That does not mean he is not a great player, but we could lose AD and still be a dominating defense.

    Basically, most folks that are crying to keep AD is because they have grown attached to his show and the personality he brings and that is fine. They are thinking with their hearts and not their brains. AD is a great personality and his show will be missed, but unless AD takes at or below market rate (and he'd be a fool to do that), AD will be a former Raven by April.
    I could care less about AD on the radio, I doubt i've listened to more than 5 mins TOTAL of that show ever.

    Yeah, we sitll have a lot of good players on our defense. Sure. But the absolute x-factor is AD. He can lineup at DE and end the play as a safety.




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    Re: Ravens and AD Far Apart On Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    I could care less about AD on the radio, I doubt i've listened to more than 5 mins TOTAL of that show ever.

    Yeah, we sitll have a lot of good players on our defense. Sure. But the absolute x-factor is AD. He can lineup at DE and end the play as a safety.

    He won't be a factor on this team much longer.
    It's a new season! It's a new day!




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    Re: Ravens and AD Far Apart On Deal

    I'd keep him over Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs.
    You do realize that Suggs is like 5 or 6 years younger than AD. AD is peaking now (I wouldn't be surprised if this past season was his peak). Suggs gets better all the time and still has a way to go before he hits his ceiling.

    I love AD and he is an important cog but you just don't give 30+ year old players 18MM in bonuses and big contracts. That is how you end up in cap hell. We'll replace AD like we have replaced virtually every player in this D except Ray Ray and McAlister. It may take a couple of years (see Ngata for Goose) but it will get done and the D will still be top 5 like they are every year.

    Ray is the general of the D. He elevates the play of everyone around him. He should get a short extension to lower his cap figure and allow him to retire a Raven. Not a payday like AD mind you, just a monetizing of his future salary as a signing bonus plus a year or two of an average salary (say 3-4 mil). It's fair for both parties.




  6. #30

    Re: Ravens and AD Far Apart On Deal

    suggs is much more replaceable than AD...yeah, he's better at dropping in to coverage and playing in space now, sure...but he's still a one-dimensional pass rusher, overall.




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    Re: Ravens and AD Far Apart On Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    suggs is much more replaceable than AD...yeah, he's better at dropping in to coverage and playing in space now, sure...but he's still a one-dimensional pass rusher, overall.

    You can always follow AD as he plays for the Pats, 49ers, Bengals, or Redskins. He won't be here next season. Get used to it.
    It's a new season! It's a new day!




  8. #32

    Re: Ravens and AD Far Apart On Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleRulz View Post
    You can always follow AD as he plays for the Pats, 49ers, Bengals, or Redskins. He won't be here next season. Get used to it.
    Well...if you and Drew both said it, then I guess you're right.

    Of course, you and Drew probably also said Jamal Lewis, Chris McAlister, etc wouldn't be back.

    And stop with this "Ray elevates the play of everyone" crap. Maybe a few years ago in 2000, sure. Not anymore. These are professional athletes they don't need a player who performs less than they do to motivate them. I promise you, that is the most trite and overly used inaccurate statement.

    Why do you think guys like Hartwell and Scott can step in for Ray with little to no drop off?

    No one could step in for AD with little to no drop off.




  9. #33

    Re: Ravens and AD Far Apart On Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    Well...if you and Drew both said it, then I guess you're right.

    Of course, you and Drew probably also said Jamal Lewis, Chris McAlister, etc wouldn't be back.
    I don't recall Drew saying McAlister wouldn't be back, ever. If you are talking about when McAlister was franchised, I'm pretty sure the consensus on the NST morning show was that he would be franchised.

    AD cannot be 'replaced' exactly by anyone. He can play any defensive position on the field.

    But his absence would not be crippling. We had a great defense before he was a starter, if he leaves, it will still be great.

    It is a question of the future of the team, $$$ and the cap, not a question of how important he is to the current scheme of the defense. The schemes on both sides of the ball will change to match to our new personnel next year, whoever they may be, and whatever position they will be playing.
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    Re: Ravens and AD Far Apart On Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    Well...if you and Drew both said it, then I guess you're right.

    Of course, you and Drew probably also said Jamal Lewis, Chris McAlister, etc wouldn't be back.

    And stop with this "Ray elevates the play of everyone" crap. Maybe a few years ago in 2000, sure. Not anymore. These are professional athletes they don't need a player who performs less than they do to motivate them. I promise you, that is the most trite and overly used inaccurate statement.

    1. I never said CMAC won't be back. This thread is about AD and not CMAC.

    2. What I said is that AD won't be back.

    3. You may think Ray is the lesser player than AD, and you are entitled to that point of view, but even if you are correct, AD, "the better player," will be playing for another team in 2007. Get used to it.
    It's a new season! It's a new day!




  11. #35

    Re: Ravens and AD Far Apart On Deal

    PurpleRulz you sound very certain on something that I wouldn't be very certain about.




  12. #36

    Re: Ravens and AD Far Apart On Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    PurpleRulz you sound very certain on something that I wouldn't be very certain about.
    RavensNTerps, PR's argument is based on $$$.

    AD wants it, the Ravens can't afford to give it to him. If they franchised him it would be burdensome on their efforts to sign everyone else they have to sign.

    It's a persuasive argument, even if you don't agree, and it's based on facts and numbers.
    Festivus

    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




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