Any chance Rex Ryan says "No" to the Chargers?

[purplepoe]

PP:

a) Spanos is not a Bisciotti. Nothing about him wreak of strong ownership. Firing Marty was a very reactive move that was over the top. The ravens had a 6-10 season last year and didn't do something so rash. You would think the Chargers were the Raiders and 2-14 instead of 14-2


b)




I disagree. In a city like Baltimore, its clear who calls the shots. Bisciotti is at the top; Billick and Newsome below him, with Newsome calling the shots on personel and Billick on coaching, and both answering to Bisciotti.


You didn't see anyone questioning Billick's authority to hire fassel: and no-one questioning his decision to fire him and call plays himself. A coach should run his coaching staff.


The exact opposite just happened in San Diego, and its not clear if it was the owner or the GM that really made the decision to let marty go.


Conversely, if Billick get's fired, I think we'll know that it was bisciotti signed off on it, and newsome as GM executes the search for a new coach, and it wasn't because of beef with newsome or something else. Thank god we have a strong owner. he asserted himself last year for better or for worse.




San Diego coaching staff is in such a mess right now, with the division they play in, i expect a letdown, regardless of the coach. You'll either have a whole new coaching staff running someone else's system(s), or a whole new coaching staff installing an entirely new system.


While I agree that San Diego has talent that a coach would like, I think you'd like a place where you know whats going on. I'm NOT saying Rex Ryan would want Bellicheck type control. But I think he'd like to know exactly what the system of control is.

Sigh.

OK man.

I've voiced my thoughts.

The SD job is very attractive and IMO the first person who gets the offer can't sign the contract soon enough.

PP

[duffybr]

From what I have read.

Smith has been wanting to get rid of Schott for a long time.
They did not renew his contract- meaning he would be out next year unless he won the AFC. Schott encouraged his assistants to move on because they would not be likely to have job security after next year. he also wanted to hire his brother as DC and AJ wnated somebody else. That seems to be why he was fired now in stead of a month ago. Ithink it will be hard to get some coaches in SD if they have no say over personnel- even who the coacjes are.

The situation seems similar to when little peter napoleon fired dave johnson and pat gillick- sort of an egomaniacal exercise.

Rex would be there in a heartbeat.

Whoever said Merriman was the best defensive player may not be considering the fact that without steroids next year he may not be superman.

I dont have any stats, but It seemed like he faded soem when he came back.

[purplepoe]

Smith has been wanting to get rid of Schott for a long time.
They did not renew his contract- meaning he would be out next year unless he won the AFC.

Marty was offered a 1 year extension and he turned it down.

PP

[festivus]

Marty was offered a 1 year extension and he turned it down.

No. He was fired.

A new HC in San Diego would inherit fantastic players and vacancies at both coordinator positions, which means he'd basically get to hand pick his staff. The San Diego head coaching vacancy is probably the single most desireable HC position I *ever* remember being open.

Any coordinator would be a fool not to take it, and Rex isn't any fool.

[purplepoe]

No. He was fired.

Fest

I know he was fired.

But he was offered a 1 year extension after they lost to the Patriots and he turned it down.

http://chargers.scout.com/2/618464.html

Marty Schottenheimer was offered a one-year extension that came with a club-option $1 million buyout and turned the offer down, becoming a lame-duck coach.

PP

[jonboy79]

From what I have read.

Whoever said Merr4 Forced fumbles, iman was the best defensive player may not be considering the fact that without steroids next year he may not be superman.

I dont have any stats, but It seemed like he faded soem when he came back.

Yeah I guess so, his last five games: 8.5 sacks, 4 forced funbles, 5 passes defensed, I see your point.

[festivus]

Fest

I know he was fired.

But he was offered a 1 year extension after they lost to the Patriots and he turned it down.

http://chargers.scout.com/2/618464.html

Marty Schottenheimer was offered a one-year extension that came with a club-option $1 million buyout and turned the offer down, becoming a lame-duck coach.

PP

Oops, sorry, I misunderstood your point, which led to me misunderstanding your post.

[ClericBlackDave]

to clarify my views


1) Obviously any head coach offer is attractive if you want to be a head coach and haven't already been.


2) obviously the chargers have talent thats amazing, so thats attractive


BUT


1) with parity, there is a lot of talent everywhere. Not LT or Merriman talent all the time, but talent. Lets not forget the steroids issue. Going to a dysfunctional team with talent isn't probalby the greatest thing unless you know you have the cure.


2) coaches are brought into coach talent. Part of that is direct coaching; part of that is discretion on who to bring in to coach and, in an offseason, who to allow to interview as a coach


Its strikes me that there was nothing wrong with the decisions marty made vis a vis his coaching staff, other than letting coaches progress.


no one question the hiring of Fassel when he was Billick's friend; nor the hiring of his son, john fassel, nor the midseason firing of Fassel.


Strikes me that its unattractive to a coach if he can't at least control his coaching staff, talent or not. And to see a coach go 14-2 and get the boot . . . you know you probably have 2 season AT BEST to get a meaningful playoff win. Tough situation, big challenge. I'm sure Rex is up to it, but conversely, you see plenty of coaches wait a year for other coaching opportunities to come up.

[PurpleRulz]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Folks, I would temper excitement, but it seems that Pete Carroll to SD rumors are getting stronger. With strong rumors of AJ Smith being fired in April along with what is reported in this link, we could be keeping Rex.

In the short term, I'd be happy to keep Rex here, but there is something on the inside that says we lose Rex next year to the Cleveland Browns. I don't think Cronell will be back after this season. I'd rather lose Rex to the Chargers than to another AFCN division rival.

If Rex leaves, I want him out of our division. Also, if Rex stays, could we bring in Donnie Henderson in some capacity?

[ClericBlackDave]

If the firing AJ Smith rumors are true, then the whole firing Marty move makes more sense.


of course, i think that means that if Rex is offered the job with control that might be the most attractive job offer ever.

[ravenmaniac]

I was just thinking about this. Even if the Chargers offer him the position after he comes in for the interview, what are the chances Ryan says "no"


I'm sure some people will respond Zero % chance.



But when you think about it, the charger's organization vis a vis dealing with power structure seems to be borderlining on retarded right now.


Rex is going to know that following a 14-2 act will be tough, especially with a GM like AJ Smith that will be making most personel decision.


I would think there is probably a 15% chance Rex would say no, just based on how controlling or over-controlling AJ Smith seems to be with assistants, coaching, hiring, personel, etc. A world of difference between that crap and the way the Ravens run our organization.


Also, rex would probably only have 2 years at best to bring a playoff win. Thats a tough 1st coaching job, one that could end Rex's career really.


I think it might be that there are better vacancies next year for Rex in any scenario.


Thoughts?

there is ZERO chance, the Chargers GM is great and has built a great team of talent. he wouldn't go on the interview with the idea that he isn't interested. I have a buddy who lives in SD and the fans all sided with Smith. It was a power struggle that Shots lost.

[highwater]

I have a buddy who lives in SD and the fans all sided with Smith. It was a power struggle that Shots lost.

I'm not calling your buddy a liar, but I find it extremely hard to believe that "all" the fans sided with Smith. He sounds and acts like an idiot, and most of the quality players on that team are not there because of him. From what I've heard the past two days, the players on the Chargers are definitely not happy about this firing.

Smith did a nice job fleecing the ignorant Giants on the Eli Manning/Phillip Rivers trade, but I don't think he's done anything else to warrant the kind of juice he seems to have with Chargers ownership.

[ClericBlackDave]

If you knew me over on your baltimore ravens and the scout board, you would know that I spent a year in San Diego with friend of mine who were native San Diegons(sp? lol jk anchorman)


Long story short, no one talked about support of AJ Smith while I was out there. You heard love for Brees, LT, and Marty.


All the people I know back there are still dissapointed about losing brees, and have mixed feelings at best on Schottenheimer being fired. it doesn't help that their genious GM and Owner combo did this AFTER they lost both coordinators and 2 high ranking assistants. My friend out there was pissed at the firing


Long story short, I won't claim thats the majority of chargers fans. But in any case, lets not pretend like its a sweep for AJ smith.

[BlackOutD]

I personally think that SD's organization is terrible! How they survived or tollerated a GM/Coaching relationship with no communication between the two is mind-boggling enough! That GM has way to high of an ego and the owner let's him do his thing!

[purplepoe]

1. Why does firing Smith make the Marty firing seem more sensible?

If Smith is the true problem, then why not fire him and keep Marty? Hell, they offered Marty a 1 year extension back in January and he declined.

2. I've heard TONS of SD fans on the radio express how happy they are that they canned Marty. Look, Smith didn't get along with Marty. It doesn't mean he wouldn't get along with a different coach. Especially if said coach didn't want the control that Marty wanted. When a coach wants more control over personnel and there is already a GM in place who has control and has made very good moves, it's gonna lead to conflict no matter who the people are.

Sure, there will be fans on both sides. Just look at this site and all the debate. However, it's hard to argue with Smith's personnel decisions since he's been there.

But back to the point of this thread.

Rex Ryan would sign on the dotted line as fast as he could if offered this job.

PP

[ClericBlackDave]

I wouldn't take the SD fans you hear on the radio as representative of the whole popuplation.


Its something called selection bias. A certain type calls into the shows. It'd be like listening to balitmore sports radio shows to try to decides the "majority" opinion on certain things like, say, hating Kyle Boller.


On those sort of things people who call into the radio are people who usually like to yell, scream, and bitch AND pretend to know it all. And those are usually the people who love to verbally attack players and coaches. Doesn't suprise me.


Viv a vis Smith v. Schott, I think I've made my opinion on that clear. GMs shouldn't be interfering in asst. coaching selection, and I think that right there puts Smith in the wrong. He's not supposed to be running the entire club. He's running the player/personel part.


So to, it makes more sense if Smith and Schott are both getting axed to purge that team of that negative energy.


If Smith stays, seems like you're gonna deal with the same shit, different day.


Does Rex want to go over there and have to create a whole coaching staff that AJ Smith has to, 1 by 1, go over and approve?


Thats my point.

[Sports Steve]

If Rex is offered the job he will and should take it. He said on ESPN yesterday he's ready to be a head coach.

[purplepoe]

I wouldn't take the SD fans you hear on the radio as representative of the whole popuplation.

Do you even read what I post?

In my response to you I said this....

[/QUOTE]Sure, there will be fans on both sides. Just look at this site and all the debate.[/QUOTE]

Where did you get the idea that I think what I heard represents the whole SD fan base?

This thread is bordering on ridiculous. Rex Ryan WILL NOT turn down a chance to coach a team that has arguably the most talent in the league.

Dave, please read this article.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/f...orts-headlines

"What caught the eye of everyone in the Chargers' organization was Ryan's jewelry - the Super Bowl ring he won with the Ravens in January 2001.

"That would be something that we'd be targeting," Ryan told San Diego reporters after meeting with Chargers executives yesterday. "We'd like to get several of those, but we want to put a different logo on it."


"It was quite an experience," Ryan said. "I think once you go through this process, you realize how much you really do want to be in this position. I know I'm ready."

Does that sound like a guy who is hesitant to take the Chargers job?

PP

[FellsPointRaven]

In response to the original question - no. If he is offered the job, there is no chance he will turn it down.

Next.

[Greg]

I am not closely following this but the original contention was more hopeful as a Ravens fan than objective as an NFL fan. That's fine, but there wasn't, isn't and won't be a good reason for Ryan to pass on this job. The only downside to this job is the high expectations that will come with all that talent.