OT - No matter how bad you may feel about the Ravens right now...

**RavenScallywag** · 01-19-2010, 11:59 AM

We're not the Bills...

After beginning their coaching search throwing out names like Shanahan, Cowher, Brian Billick, Cam Cameron, Brian Schottenheimer, Leslie Frazier....

They have now hired Chan Gailey to be their head coach. Chan Gailey who was fired by Todd Haley as OC of the Chiefs just 3 pre-season games into his tenure. Chan Gailey who hasn't coached a regular season NFL game since 2001.

Pending what the Raiders do this offseason, I think the Bills are in the running for laughingstock of the NFL 2010.

**RAVENOUS52** · 01-19-2010, 12:04 PM

I don't feel bad about the Ravens at all. I think we have a decent shot at the playoffs next year and from there, who knows?

**psuasskicker** · 01-19-2010, 12:48 PM

This is a level, right? It's not really possible that they're that stupid, is it?

Chan Gailey, seriously?

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**Captain Offense** · 01-19-2010, 04:15 PM

Despite the flow of those who show how much they do not know, real football fans know that the Ravens organization is well-run. Disappointment in failing to reach the brass-ring (or silver trophy) is deep, but that does not mena that we need to change the GM, the HC, the OC, the DC, the water boy, etc. We just need to regroup and get ready to assault the 2010 season with a fresh group. I have faith in the team from top to bottom.

**BmoreBrawla** · 01-19-2010, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

We're not the Bills...

After beginning their coaching search throwing out names like Shanahan, Cowher, Brian Billick, Cam Cameron, Brian Schottenheimer, Leslie Frazier....

They have now hired Chan Gailey to be their head coach. Chan Gailey who was fired by Todd Haley as OC of the Chiefs just 3 pre-season games into his tenure. Chan Gailey who hasn't coached a regular season NFL game since 2001.

Pending what the Raiders do this offseason, I think the Bills are in the running for laughingstock of the NFL 2010.

I feel sorry for Brian Billick. He really shot himself in the foot by standing up for Boller for all those years.

**Mista T** · 01-19-2010, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Offense

Despite the flow of those who show how much they do not know, real football fans know.....

Here we go again: the

real football fans. Please: think a few seconds before spouting off.

If the "the flow of those who show how much they do not know" happens to be contrary to your opinion, that makes those who express those opinions other than "real football fans".

And obviously you are a "real football fan" because you want to keep the GM, the HC, the OC, the DC, the water boy, etc. Right?

It's a fan's prerogative to criticize the decisions made by the GM, the HC, the OC, the DC, or the play of the players. What's the correlation between being a real football fan and being critical?

I will, however, concede to you that we shouldn't be booing the water boy.

**RAVENOUS52** · 01-19-2010, 07:13 PM

Fuck the water boy, T!!

And Billick absolutely does NOT want to coach the Bills.

Why would he with T.O. still there?

**StingerNLG** · 01-19-2010, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by BmoreBrawla

I feel sorry for Brian Billick. He really shot himself in the foot by standing up for Boller for all those years.

I thought TRAP was banned?

Man will you have a tough day if Billick gets a coaching job.

**effo5231** · 01-19-2010, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mista T

If the "the flow of those who show how much they do not know" happens to be contrary to your opinion, that makes those who express those opinions other than "real football fans".

And obviously you are a "real football fan" because you want to keep the GM, the HC, the OC, the DC, the water boy, etc. Right?

.

So do you want to get rid of the GM who is widely viewed the league over as a genius both in first round drafting AND at finding no name gems in the late rounds and free agent market?

Or do you want to get rid of the coach that has taken us to back to back playoffs? The coach who turned around the "me first" attitude of guys like Willis? The coach who managed to take a grieving and confused Derrick Mason and talk him back from the retirement ledge? The coach who, despite all the criticism leveled at him by fans who insist is "in over his head" has a 12-4 home record and has never lost to a losing team?

The D coordinator who got us the third ranked D with virtually our entire defense backfield missing major time? The D that gave up less than 14 points a game down the stretch? The D that certain posters seem to want to credit to Ray Lewis and company when successful, but blame on Mattison when they fail.

Or the offensive coordinator who led us to a franchise-record 22 rushing touchdowns (tied for most in the NFL) and the fifth-most rushing yards in the league (137.5) and tied the franchise single-season record for points (391 in 1996) and set a record for touchdowns scored (47).

(Oh bee the dub, Baltimore was one of two teams to boast a 3,500-passer, a 1,300-yard rusher, and a 1,000-yard receiver and was one of three teams to register more than 20 passing and 20 rushing touchdowns on the year. Seems like MAYBE Cam knows what he's doing.)

To me, REAL fans are the kind of fans who are smart enough to know when they've got a good thing going. Bitching about coaching staffs that put up the way ours do is something that reactionary, short-sighted fans with no ability to delay personal gratification do.

Maybe those reactionary, short sighted, Monday Morning Dan Snyders are just as passionate about the Ravens, but to me, their inability to learn enough about football to recognize the objective facts that indicate a coach's likelihood of being successful (multiple playoff appearances, ability to adjust schemes over the course of a year due to injury, ability to present a multidimensional unit whether on O or D) puts them on the same level as idiot Eagle fans who've been bitching about Donovan McNabb since he got there, Idiot Redskins fans who cheer when their management trade draft pick after draft pick for bloated egos and ineffectual free agents, or Idiot Steeler fans who... well are idiots because they're Steeler fans.

Criticize all you want T, their is plenty to fix when a team goes 9-7. But the kind of fixes you hint at (firing our coaches or front office) are the kind of fixes that get you the results they've been getting just south of us.

**Mista T** · 01-19-2010, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by effo5231

Criticize all you want T, their is plenty to fix when a team goes 9-7. But the kind of fixes you hint at (firing our coaches or front office) are the kind of fixes that get you the results they've been getting just south of us.

WTF are you talking about?

**Greg** · 01-19-2010, 11:29 PM

Mista T wasn't advocating a position in regard to firing people or not, etc.

He was just saying that it is possible to be "a real football fan" and hold the opinion the coach/GM/water boy/strength and conditioning coach should be fired/retained/beaten with a stick.

He was saying that just because a person holds a view different than another's doesn't make one or the other less or more of a "real fan."

**effo5231** · 01-19-2010, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mista T

And obviously you are a "real football fan" because you want to keep the GM, the HC, the OC, the DC, the water boy, etc. Right?

If I'm wrong about what this quote means, I apologize to you personally. I don't retract my statement regarding fans who DO want to get rid of Harbs and co.

**Drkraven** · 01-19-2010, 11:45 PM

I am no Harbs fan, but I think next year is his make or break, put his real stamp on the team year. Being sexual intellectuals is the JOB of the fan.

**effo5231** · 01-20-2010, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Drkraven

I am no Harbs fan, but I think next year is his make or break, put his real stamp on the team year. Being sexual intellectuals is the JOB of the fan.

I just don't understand this attitude. I don't mean I don't agree with it, what I mean is that I don't understand it. How is back to back playoffs, an awesome home winning percentage, a major improvement on O while maintaining historical dominance on D, never losing to losing teams, winning by an average of 18 points, and never losing in the opening round of playoffs NOT putting his stamp on the team?

As for the, frankly, mind boggling level of self satisfied entitlement that goes with the belief that fans have a right, nay! the DUTY to be a bunch of empty headed know it alls... I just can't get behind that. I can't even grasp it.

**Captain Offense** · 01-20-2010, 06:27 AM

Mista T,

Being critical is a right. This country allows anyone the right to spout off, regardless of the merit. Being a real fan means that you do not pull a "Preston" and complain for the sake of complaining. Changes are always needed, regardless of whether or not you win the Super Bowl. The difference between real discourse and going off half-cocked is the difference between Dan Snyder and this organization. Mistakes are made every day, but it is best to analyze them in the body of work. If you run a football team, have all of the information they have, and are in the system, then you have an insight that can complain on the proper level. Otherwise, to question a decision is healthy, keeping in mind that you do not know it all. My point is that real fans know when they have enough to complain, and others simply go out with their safety off.

Fortunately, we all have this type of forum to express our frustrations.

**psuasskicker** · 01-20-2010, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Drkraven

I am no Harbs fan, but I think next year is his make or break, put his real stamp on the team year. Being sexual intellectuals is the JOB of the fan.

WTF???

Harbaugh has taken a first/second year D2 quarterback to the Conference Championship game and Divisional round of the playoffs his first two seasons. Next year is not "make or break" for him.

And WTF does being a sexual intellectual have to do with anything?

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**Losac** · 01-20-2010, 09:01 AM

No sense having this argument effo. This board really is unreadable sometimes with the fickleness of the fans. After the NE game everyone was raving about the team, how we would steam roll Indy and go onto the Super Bowl. After the loss, all the talk is about how Harbs should be fired, Flacco should be benched, Ozzie sucks as a GM because he hasn't gotten us the "big play receiver" yet, Reed and Mason need to retire, etc, etc.

It's annoying, and mainly the reason why I can't stand listening to sports talk radio.