Quick questions to all ravens DVR students lol

**ravensfan6463** · 08-01-2011, 03:06 PM

Hey guys I'm watching the nightmare Houston Ravens games last year for footage of Vonta Leach. I know we were beating their ass most of this game but i have not seen him in one play at all. Did he even play this game or was he injured? All i see is foster in one back sets no i form no FB. Thanks yall

**chicagoravensfan** · 08-01-2011, 03:12 PM

HaHa, I watched the NFL Rewind of that game this morning for just that reason. In the NFL Rewind version, they edited out most of the 1st half when the Texans had the ball and I noticed the same thing. I think it was more based on the game situation -- the Texans playing hurry up for most of the game. He was definitely in the game and was jawing with Jameel McClain on one of the goal line plays. God that second half was painful to rewatch.

**ravensfan6463** · 08-01-2011, 03:14 PM

ya man he is finally in 13:53 in the second half lol. He is making some crack blocks though wow lol

Whats even funnier is he has been out now almost 4 times looking for a pass. does he receive at all?lol

**HoustonRaven** · 08-01-2011, 03:25 PM

Judging by his stats line last season, that wasn't the only game he failed to post.

Starting to get concerned.

**JMUpurkfool** · 08-01-2011, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Judging by his stats line last season, that wasn't the only game he failed to post.

Starting to get concerned.

Here's a tip..

Go to rushing.. Click on Arian Foster.

He's a blocking FB, they don't keep stats for pancake blocks.

**HoustonRaven** · 08-01-2011, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by JMUpurkfool

Here's a tip..

Go to rushing.. Click on Arian Foster.

He's a blocking FB, they don't keep stats for pancake blocks.

Granted, but something other then the multiple nill lines all over the place?

**BLSmokey** · 08-01-2011, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Judging by his stats line last season, that wasn't the only game he failed to post.

Starting to get concerned.

What stats should he be putting up as a pure blocking fullback?

He only has 3 career rushes and 76 career catches in 8 years. He could have 0 and 0 for all I care.

I don't really follow what you're looking for here.

**HoustonRaven** · 08-01-2011, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by BLSmokey

What stats should he be putting up as a pure blocking fullback?

He only has 3 career rushes and 76 career catches in 8 years.

I just assumed he had something to offer more than blocking.

**Ravenswintitle** · 08-01-2011, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I just assumed he had something to offer more than blocking.

he's got good hands out of the backfield.

If you go to youtube and search for the Foster highlight clip, you can see him making a lot of lead blocks.

**BLSmokey** · 08-01-2011, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I just assumed he had something to offer more than blocking.

Nope. While he does have hands (and will occasionally catch a ball or two), he will simply find the best person to seal off or pancake on every single play and execute with brutal precision.

Ray Rice will put up all the stats you need this year.

**JMUpurkfool** · 08-01-2011, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I just assumed he had something to offer more than blocking.

When you have Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter, Jacoby Jones, and Owen Daniels you don't really need the FB to catch a bunch of balls.

**Ravenswintitle** · 08-01-2011, 03:38 PM

here's the clip - he flat out pancakes some dudes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvTl_r7aut0

**HoustonRaven** · 08-01-2011, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

here's the clip - he flat out pancakes some dudes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvTl_r7aut0

uhh ... yeah ... ouch

**GOTA** · 08-01-2011, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Granted, but something other then the multiple nill lines all over the place?

In that offense he wasn't used that often for anything that is going to show up in the stats. You can't judge anything about Leach from stats.

**Ravenswintitle** · 08-01-2011, 03:44 PM

Yup - Foster is 10 yds into the defense before anyone lays a hand on him... over and over

**BLSmokey** · 08-01-2011, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

uhh ... yeah ... ouch

You'll notice in those runs Foster rarely ever has to make the first guy miss because Leach eliminates him nearly every time. He's into the second level with regularity before he has to evade a tackler. That's a HUGE difference for us this year. Rice won't be getting clobbered at the line of scrimmage nearly as much.

**caliraven2** · 08-01-2011, 03:46 PM

Man, I wish I hadn't deleted the games I taped. They are valuable during the dry season of basketball/baseball. The only one I have is the win at Pitt.

I'm saving this year's stuff for sure.

**JimZipCode** · 08-01-2011, 04:16 PM

Check Lorenzo Neal's career stats for comparison. Neal's career-high in rushing yards on a season was 175. (And that was his rookie year!) He never had even 30 rushing attempts in a season (less than 2 per game), and never broke 200 yards.

Neal's high in receiving yards on a season was 194. That year he had 31 catches (just less than 2 per game); in no other year did he even have 25 catches.

Yet he went to the Pro Bowl 4 times, and was All-Pro twice.

Blocking. Learn it, love it. :-)

**ravensnhokies** · 08-01-2011, 04:26 PM

When you are down by 14-21pts early like in that Ravens Texans game, you don't use a fullback very often...

Rumors are that Leach was provided a comparable offer by the Texans, but Leach decided on the Ravens. I assume his reasoning was that he would see a lot more game action with the Ravens being more of a running team, and not be behind in as many games when the fullback is useless (although the Texans D should be a lot better than it was last year with their additions).

**BcRaven** · 08-01-2011, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by BLSmokey

What stats should he be putting up as a pure blocking fullback?
He only has 3 career rushes and 76 career catches in 8 years. He could have 0 and 0 for all I care.
I don't really follow what you're looking for here.

You said it Smokey. He would be like another veteran OLineman. Since we likely will have Reid @ RT and Dickson/Pitta @ TE, Vonta is more valuable than a FB who can run the ball a few times a game. Cannot count his stats, but watch Rice's go up through the roof... Bc