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    Re: If Gaither showed up to practice...



    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    News flash. Gaither was already an immature, lazy POS before he was drafted. When he didn't get his way, he just let his inner child come out in all its glory.
    Agreed, and that was an inner-child known to the Kings of the castle prior to the move.

    The same damn thing happenned at MD.

    The definition of insanity is expecting different results from the same conditions.




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    Re: If Gaither showed up to practice...

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Agreed, and that was an inner-child known to the Kings of the castle prior to the move.

    The same damn thing happenned at MD.

    The definition of insanity is expecting different results from the same conditions.
    I don't think it's too much to expect that a guy who wants to be paid millions of dollars should grow up a little. Last year was his chance to audition for the big contract, and he screwed the pooch.
    I've upped my standards. Up yours.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Agreed, and that was an inner-child known to the Kings of the castle prior to the move.

    The same damn thing happenned at MD.

    The definition of insanity is expecting different results from the same conditions.
    Which is probably why he was a supplimental draft pick and not a first rounder. But of course fact continues to be irrelevant in all this. Gaither's problems weren't caused by Gaither of course. It was everyone else.

    Jon, let's just blame it on Kyle Boller and let's get this over with, shall we?




  4. #172

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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Which is probably why he was a supplimental draft pick and not a first rounder. But of course fact continues to be irrelevant in all this. Gaither's problems weren't caused by Gaither of course. It was everyone else.

    Jon, let's just blame it on Kyle Boller and let's get this over with, shall we?
    That's not at all what I am saying.

    You are correct that he would have otherwise been a first rounder, probably top 10 pick the following year had he not been a knucklehead, stayed in school and played one more year.


    Literally ALL I am saying is that the folks at the castle share SOME blame. It's funny to watch everyone excuse this away as yet another of the famed wizard of Oz's great moves, when in fact, it hurt our team greatly.

    If you don't want a lazy immature POS on your team polluting the minds of others(understandable) then you adequately replace the player and move on with life. Had we adequately replaced the loss of Gaither, I could subscribe to it being addition by subtraction in the lockerroom. As it is now, we are significantly worse accross 60% of the line, tracing it's roots back to this situation.




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    Re: If Gaither showed up to practice...

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    That night Harbs commented the move was "potentially permanent" and the very next day, just a couple of snaps in, Gaither hurts his foot. He then lost 20 pounds came to camp and hurt his back almost immediately.

    So in short, I blame the precipitous drop of our Oline play on that decision and the manner in which his coach handled it with the media, which led to Gaither being an immature, lazy POS.
    Well then we just disagree. Harbaugh is the boss, like it or not. If what happened here was Gaither throwing a hissy fit because he didn't like what the boss told him to do, then that makes it 110% Gaither's fault and 0% anyone else. I'm sorry but I am not going to hold Harbaugh accountable in any way for Gaither behaving like an immature, lazy POS.

    Instead, I'll suggest that you can trace Gaither's immature, lazy POS approach from Hargrove Military Academy -> University of Maryland -> Baltimore Ravens -> KC Chiefs, and it merely took the coach making a reasonable demand of his player to reveal this fact, whether that coach was Ralph Friedgen or John Harbaugh.

    We can have a debate whether moving Oher to the left was smart, be we can't have an argument that this experiment should have been avoided because of fear about how Gaither would deal with it. That argument I can't listen to.




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    Re: If Gaither showed up to practice...

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Agreed, and that was an inner-child known to the Kings of the castle prior to the move.

    The same damn thing happenned at MD.

    The definition of insanity is expecting different results from the same conditions.
    I assume you suggested this line of reasoning to support the idea that the Ravens should have known better than to try and upset Gaither. They should have seen how fragile he was a Maryland and known better than to mess with his head.

    But to me, what I get out of this expression is that it was insane to think Gaither would work out at all, and they should never have put him on the roster to begin with -- they should not have made the same mistake Friedgen and Maryland made when they gave him a chance. By my way of thinking, Haley and KC are revealing themselves to be insane x3.




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    Re: If Gaither showed up to practice...

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    If you don't want a lazy immature POS on your team polluting the minds of others(understandable) then you adequately replace the player and move on with life. Had we adequately replaced the loss of Gaither, I could subscribe to it being addition by subtraction in the lockerroom. As it is now, we are significantly worse accross 60% of the line, tracing it's roots back to this situation.
    Okay, that's a different argument and one that I can listen to. Perhaps they should have seen the writing on the wall with Gaither and never banked on him being reliable.

    In which case, it has nothing to do with Oher. Oher is the "other tackle" in this equation, and what you are saying is in addition to Oher, they should have had a better alternative to Gaither and been ready for the inevitable flame out. There is some truth to that perhaps.

    They may have put too much hope in taming Gaither and too much hope in developing Cousins.

    In the end, two weeks from now, I think they'll have a free agent who will step in as the alternative to Gaither...and then even this argument should be moot.




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    Re: If Gaither showed up to practice...

    shas--
    Not accusing you of typos, but that's HargrAve Military Academy! (Jr. Petard matriculated there...)




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    Re: If Gaither showed up to practice...

    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Petard View Post
    shas--
    Not accusing you of typos, but that's HargrAve Military Academy! (Jr. Petard matriculated there...)
    My bad.

    Mike Hargrave Military Academy it is then.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    My bad.

    Mike Hargrave Military Academy it is then.
    Every game starts with a rain delay, even if there's not a cloud in the sky.
    I've upped my standards. Up yours.




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    Re: If Gaither showed up to practice...

    No problem. If you ever have occasion to drive down that way, there are a couple of little "gas&go's" on Rt. 29 just north of Chatham that have about the best gasoline prices in the whole travel corridor from Baltimore down into N.C.

    BTW, here's a link to some of the NFLers that went there. My understanding is that many of them are getting a "second chance" - sometimes need to pull up a grade point average - by spending an extra year there befor hitting the "big time" colleges.




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    Re: If Gaither showed up to practice...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post

    We can have a debate whether moving Oher to the left was smart, be we can't have an argument that this experiment should have been avoided because of fear about how Gaither would deal with it. That argument I can't listen to.
    Ding ding ding! We have a winner!!!




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