Draft Prospects

**leachisabeast** · 04-10-2012, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

No. They keep answering dumb questions like "Why would the Ravens want to keep Cary Williams" and "Is Oher going to play LT this year?"

I've asked a bunch of good questions similar to yours, and they're answering useless questions from people who don't know much for whatever reason lol.

Oh and heres another dumbass fan thinking we should take Kellen Moore, because "he's the nest aaron rogers!".

**wickedsolo** · 04-10-2012, 11:36 AM

I just asked them: "If I asked you guys some dumb question about Kellen Moore, would you answer me then?"

They've answered like 3 or 4 questions from some jaggoffs talking about swapping Flacco with Kellen Moore.

**GOTA** · 04-10-2012, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

No surprises there, although I can't see us getting Hightower if Konz and Hill are there. Tbh they don't really know anymore than we do about their draft plans.

True.

**wickedsolo** · 04-10-2012, 11:40 AM

I just asked them how do I get their job.

I could do their job.

**BcRaven** · 04-10-2012, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by alien bird

I wouldn't mind seeing the Ravens double dip at WR considering the way the NFL is going to 3 WR sets. The value of multiple threats cannot be overlooked...

Devil's Advocate = Have we forgotten Doss (4th round pick) and L. Wms (UDFA) from 2011 already? I'm not even going to go to David Reed, who was injured last season... Bc

**GOTA** · 04-10-2012, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

Devil's Advocate = Have we forgotten Doss (4th round pick) and L. Wms (UDFA) from 2011 already? I'm not even going to go to David Reed, who was injured last season... Bc

We haven't but Cam has.

**bmorecareful** · 04-10-2012, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

Devil's Advocate = Have we forgotten Doss (4th round pick) and L. Wms (UDFA) from 2011 already? I'm not even going to go to David Reed, who was injured last season... Bc

All I know is that when Boldin missed the last 2 games of the year neither of those guys got a single snap. Only Smith and Evans even saw the field during those games. The Ravens even preferred Dennis Pitta at WR over both of them (and over Evans.) LaQuan wasn't even ACTIVE against Cleveland...

I would love for Doss and/or Williams to blow up and be great in 2012, but based on the evidence we have, neither one is even ready to be a depth player at this point. Williams can work on special teams and did make a few catches last year, but I'm actually very worried about Doss. I know he was banged up last year, but I'm not really sure he makes the team in 2012. I see Demetrius Williams with him--a guy who the fans fell in love with when he made a few catches in preseason, and everyone's always expecting to break out, but never really does enough to see the field in the end.

**bmorecareful** · 04-10-2012, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

With 4.4 speed, Jenkins indeed has actual NFL caliber speed, and could very well be a vertical threat. Footwork, vice size, can get him there, and that can be taught. Also, his slight build will most likely allow him to maintain most of his speed in pads.

About DReed...there was/is nothing wrong with the measurables and performance-profile coming out of Utah. DReed has not underperformed b/c of his 6"1, 15 bench rep, 38" vertical, 4.5 speed measurables. Similar measurables don't mean all that much at the WR position, there's a lot more involved.

Of the current crop of consistent, uber-productive #1 WRs, my recollection is that the following were reasonably predicted to be so coming out of college: Andre Johnson, Fitz, Megatron. The others, Steve Smith, any one on the Packers, anyone on the Eagles, Roddy White, VJax, Marshall, Austin, RWayne, Holmes, etc. were not. Just about every team wants or needs a #1 WR, but in 2012 isn't that a really short list? ...or more importantly an unknown list? My interpretation of Bisciotti's objective is literal: upgrading the WR position. Jenkins, and many others out there, can do just that.

The 40 isn't everything. Jenkins has some straight-line speed, no doubting that, but I don't that same speed on the football field. He doesn't have a quick twitch or burst off the line. In shorts he gets from point A to B pretty spryly, but he's just not going to be able to do that w/NFL DBs knocking him on his ass off the line.

I'm going by what I've seen of Jenkins. I would love it if I were wrong and the Ravens unearthed a gem, but I don't like him as a prospect. I don't think he's an NFL caliber receiver, and I just don't see any upside to him. I think his ceiling is very low. He might be able to catch 15 or 20 passes a year out of the slot, but don't you want a guy with some real promise? That kind of WR isn't even worth a 3rd, not in this draft which is filled to the brim with upside guys that could be had in the late rounds.

I'd rather have Greg Childs or Gerrell Robinson in the 5th than Jenkins in the 3rd.

**GOTA** · 04-10-2012, 11:59 AM

I posted the same thing about Doss. He's going to have to beat out whoever gets drafted if a WR does get drafted. With all the time that Evans and Boldin missed during the year you would think he would at least get a look but it didn't happen. There is something about him that the coaches just don't like

**srobert96** · 04-10-2012, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

Devil's Advocate = Have we forgotten Doss (4th round pick) and L. Wms (UDFA) from 2011 already? I'm not even going to go to David Reed, who was injured last season... Bc

Part of the problem is that the offense the Ravens run is so conservative it rarely if ever has more than two wrs on the field at any one time.

**JAB1985** · 04-10-2012, 12:05 PM

I do think its bullshit they asked Flacco who he wanted, drafted said player, and then allowed him on the field for a total of less than 10 plays. what was the point? If Im Flacco im probably more pissed they asked for my input just to appease me than if they wouldnt have asked at all, seeing as it didnt matter anyway. I think thats a sign of the disconnect between the FO and Cam.

**BcRaven** · 04-10-2012, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

All I know is that when Boldin missed the last 2 games of the year neither of those guys got a single snap. Only Smith and Evans even saw the field during those games. The Ravens even preferred Dennis Pitta at WR over both of them (and over Evans.) LaQuan wasn't even ACTIVE against Cleveland...
I would love for Doss and/or Williams to blow up and be great in 2012, but based on the evidence we have, neither one is even ready to be a depth player at this point. Williams can work on special teams and did make a few catches last year, but I'm actually very worried about Doss. I know he was banged up last year, but I'm not really sure he makes the team in 2012. I see Demetrius Williams with him--a guy who the fans fell in love with when he made a few catches in preseason, and everyone's always expecting to break out, but never really does enough to see the field in the end.

While I don't know how the FO looks at Doss, I personally don't think they're prepared to throw a 4th round draft choice out after his rookie season. They must have seen something, aside from Flacco's comment about him, that they liked. Many players don't develop until their 2nd or 3rd years. I'd bet (a Dunkin' Donut) that he will be on the Ravens roster in 2012... Bc

**BcRaven** · 04-10-2012, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

I posted the same thing about Doss. He's going to have to beat out whoever gets drafted if a WR does get drafted. With all the time that Evans and Boldin missed during the year you would think he would at least get a look but it didn't happen. There is something about him that the coaches just don't like

You could say the same thing about Kruger, and how did that turn out?
Doss didn't have off-season work outs or a full Training Camp in 2011.
I'm not advocating giving him a free pass to a 2012 roster spot, but let's not make a hasty decision about his talent (or lack thereof) so soon... Bc

**bmorecareful** · 04-10-2012, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

While I don't know how the FO looks at Doss, I personally don't think they're prepared to throw a 4th round draft choice out after his rookie season. They must have seen something, aside from Flacco's comment about him, that they liked. Many players don't develop until their 2nd or 3rd years. I'd bet (a Dunkin' Donut) that he will be on the Ravens roster in 2012... Bc

Originally Posted by BcRaven

You could say the same thing about Kruger, and how did that turn out?
Doss didn't have off-season work outs or a full Training Camp in 2011.
I'm not advocating giving him a free pass to a 2012 roster spot, but let's not make a hasty decision about his talent (or lack thereof) so soon... Bc

In the end you're probably right, it's just a bad situation. I don't think it's pure talent that Doss lacks, clearly he has some natural receiving ability and athleticism. He's just been injured so much even going back into his college career--he had a groin injury for the entire 2010 season and Harbaugh recently alluded to the fact that it might have held him back in 2011 as well. The injury bug can be very hard to kick particularly if you seem to go that long with it.

I think the fact that Doss doesn't appear to be much of a special teams player also hurts him. On John Harbaugh's Ravens, if you're 3rd or 4th on the depth chart and you don't play special teams, no matter your talent level there's always a chance you could be bumped for a less talented guy who plays ST.

Bottom line is he probably gets at least another year, but we really can't know what's going on with him and the FO. They could still think highly of him or they could have written him off.

**Ravenswintitle** · 04-10-2012, 12:38 PM

It takes a couple or three years for some positions to really produce in the NFL - WR being one of those. I know there are rookies that excel each year but generally it's a longer term growth. Hoping some of these guys can step up this year

**Carey** · 04-10-2012, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

I posted the same thing about Doss. He's going to have to beat out whoever gets drafted if a WR does get drafted. With all the time that Evans and Boldin missed during the year you would think he would at least get a look but it didn't happen. There is something about him that the coaches just don't like

I think the thing they dont like was his hernia surgeries...i just dont think the guy was 100 percent then go put further behind the 8 ball with no real training camp

**Thrall** · 04-10-2012, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenous1

I would do freaking cartwheels if those were the first two names called for the Ravens. I love Zeiter and think he will be a better pro then Konz...just my option though.

I see your cartwheels, and raise you some backflips !!!

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 04-10-2012, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

Devil's Advocate = Have we forgotten Doss (4th round pick) and L. Wms (UDFA) from 2011 already? I'm not even going to go to David Reed, who was injured last season... Bc

Doss has some potential.

Laquan will never be a legit NFL WR.

David Reed is almost out of chances to be a contributer at WR.

**JAB1985** · 04-10-2012, 01:05 PM

Peter Schrager Mock Draft

This is quite possibly one of the worst ive seen, but at the same time a lot of possible trades that kind of make sense value wise. FTR he doesnt have Konz going till mid to late second and Stephen hill being drafted at all in the first 2 rounds, seems far fetched that he would get past the Ravens 2nd pick by any stretch of the imagination. I dont see the Jets trading up for a T, but I can see MIN trading back and targeting another one. Same with the Rams, easily could see them trading back again and getting Floyd instead of Blackmon.

**alien bird** · 04-10-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Doss has some potential.

Laquan will never be a legit NFL WR.

David Reed is almost out of chances to be a contributer at WR.

I think fans are fooling themselves if they think the WR crop currently on the Ravens is enough. They really need another #1/#2-type guy who is big and can run the entire field. Not just a deep guy, not just a possession guy. Doss may be legit, but even so they still need a big body/big hands guy.