Draft Prospects

[leachisabeast]

As a matter of fact, I want Hightower and Upshaw. McClain can move over to Ray's spot when Ray retires, because Hightower is going to start from day 1. Upshaw will too.

Do it Oz.

You are insane, the amount we would have to give up for two defenders is unreal.

I think we have to at least get a WR and a guard in the top 3 rounds this year.

[alien bird]

We can agree to disagree, but this situation is practically the same as last yr with Jimmy Smith.

No, they are not, and there are previous posts explaining why. That doesn't mean Adams isn't a person of interest, and it doesn't mean that the Ravens haven't taken players with question marks before, but this situation isn't practically lthe same. There are some significant differences.

[RavensNest]

No, they are not, and there are previous posts explaining why. That doesn't mean Adams isn't a person of interest, and it doesn't mean that the Ravens haven't taken players with question marks before, but this situation isn't practically lthe same. There are some significant differences.

It is the same. Two players who abused drugs in their career with great talent. When they did it has no bearing. Who says Jimmy didn't light one up after his test? I would say most of these future pros have smoked pot in their lives


Teams knew of the positive test at the combine and asked Adams about it, he ended up taking a counseling program. It still is very dumb of Adams to smoke when he has a job interview on the line. He isn't the only player who has had this problem and probably won't be last.

[leachisabeast]

It is the same. Two players who abused drugs in their career with great talent. When they did it has no bearing. Who says Jimmy didn't light one up after his test? I would say most of these future pros have smoked pot in their lives


Teams knew of the positive test at the combine and asked Adams about it, he ended up taking a counseling program. It still is very dumb of Adams to smoke when he has a job interview on the line. He isn't the only player who has had this problem and probably won't be last.

There is a HUGE difference IMO. Jimmy Smith took some drugs at 19 comon man, we all do that. As far as I know he didn't come up positive on the test leading up to the draft last year, so there for in my mind he didn't take any drugs running up to the draft. Mike Adams obviously did, which is a HUGE red flag for me since it displays complete stupidity. On top of that he had a really poor combine, and not a great senior bowl, he only got like 18 reps on the BP test, so he is obviously pretty lazy and isn't taking this serious. He's like a less talented version of Jarred Gaither.

[RavensNest]

There is a HUGE difference IMO. Jimmy Smith took some drugs at 19 comon man, we all do that. As far as I know he didn't come up positive on the test leading up to the draft last year, so there for in my mind he didn't take any drugs running up to the draft. Mike Adams obviously did, which is a HUGE red flag for me since it displays complete stupidity. On top of that he had a really poor combine, and not a great senior bowl, he only got like 18 reps on the BP test, so he is obviously pretty lazy and isn't taking this serious. He's like a less talented version of Jarred Gaither.

Jimmy Smith had three positive drug tests at Colorado including admitting he used codeine. At 19, he had a drinking charge.

I agree he was a dumbass for testing positive at combine, but its ok to have 3 positive drug test while on scholly to play football? Taking drugs or doing anything that jepordizes someone ability to get to.NFL is dumb.


Mike Adams didn't have a bad Sr bowl...his stock rose after the Sr bowl. Stop telling me he bombed there without some proof (article). Combine ge performed shitty on the bench, which is partly due to the length of his arms. But strength is something that can be pur on, it doesn't mean he is lazy. Your just throwing out assumptions.

[wickedsolo]

What you're not not grasping (and seemingly because you don't want to) is that the issues with Jimmy Smith were literally things of the past. Maybe he did light up after the combine, maybe he didn't. Who knows. The issues that he had were when he was a young man at Colorado and the last couple of years while he was there he didn't have any issues at all. Ergo: he grew up, realized the error of his ways, and made changes for the betterment of himself and his future.

Mike Adams has yet to do that. He's has been in and out of trouble his entire time at Ohio State and continued to make poor decisions off the field right up until the combine knowing full well the implications that it could have. If he's not capable of seeing the error in his ways and making changes then how is giving him millions of dollars going to help?

Again, he's a talented guy and could eventually be a decent/solid left tackle in the NFL, but from a work ethic perspective and a talent perspective I don't see it and I wouldn't want him on the Ravens. He doesn't "play like a raven".

[RavensNest]

What you're not not grasping (and seemingly because you don't want to) is that the issues with Jimmy Smith were literally things of the past. Maybe he did light up after the combine, maybe he didn't. Who knows. The issues that he had were when he was a young man at Colorado and the last couple of years while he was there he didn't have any issues at all. Ergo: he grew up, realized the error of his ways, and made changes for the betterment of himself and his future.

Mike Adams has yet to do that. He's has been in and out of trouble his entire time at Ohio State and continued to make poor decisions off the field right up until the combine knowing full well the implications that it could have. If he's not capable of seeing the error in his ways and making changes then how is giving him millions of dollars going to help?

Again, he's a talented guy and could eventually be a decent/solid left tackle in the NFL, but from a work ethic perspective and a talent perspective I don't see it and I wouldn't want him on the Ravens. He doesn't "play like a raven".

Right bc when you don't get caught that means you have turned your life around. The only fact here is Mike Adams was the only one dumb enough to get caught.

So now you want to involve Mike Adams past when he was a "young man"? He sold champ ring for money and got charged with drug paraphernalia (which was later dropped).

What I'm trying to get you people to grasp, is that he is a talent with red flags just like our own Jimmy Smith ( who I wanted in 1st rd last yr). Hold people to the same standards. Known druggie is still labeled a druggie whenever they do it.

Warren Sapp did same thing at combine. I don't know if he ever got caught smoking as a pro, but he turned out alright in the NFL.

[leachisabeast]

Jimmy Smith had three positive drug tests at Colorado including admitting he used codeine. At 19, he had a drinking charge.

I agree he was a dumbass for testing positive at combine, but its ok to have 3 positive drug test while on scholly to play football? Taking drugs or doing anything that jepordizes someone ability to get to.NFL is dumb.


Mike Adams didn't have a bad Sr bowl...his stock rose after the Sr bowl. Stop telling me he bombed there without some proof (article). Combine ge performed shitty on the bench, which is partly due to the length of his arms. But strength is something that can be pur on, it doesn't mean he is lazy. Your just throwing out assumptions.

Of course it's a red flag during your college career, however at the end of the day he worked his ass off when it mattered most, Mike Adams has not done that. I don't give a damn if Jimmy Smith took a few drugs at some party while he was at college, as long as he fixed those concerns which he obviously has.

As for the combine and the senior bowl... like you have been told he was beaten on the speed rush and struggled with that quite a bit. He looked bad in the combine drills, and looks to be out of shape to me. And I don't care if he has long arms, Cordy Glenn benched pressed for like 35 odd times and has long arms too, at the end of the day you have to go hard if you want to be drafted in the first round by the ravens, and Adams has not done that.

[RavensNest]

Of course it's a red flag during your college career, however at the end of the day he worked his ass off when it mattered most, Mike Adams has not done that. I don't give a damn if Jimmy Smith took a few drugs at some party while he was at college, as long as he fixed those concerns which he obviously has.

As for the combine and the senior bowl... like you have been told he was beaten on the speed rush and struggled with that quite a bit. He looked bad in the combine drills, and looks to be out of shape to me. And I don't care if he has long arms, Cordy Glenn benched pressed for like 35 odd times and has long arms too, at the end of the day you have to go hard if you want to be drafted in the first round by the ravens, and Adams has not done that.

No offense but I take written articles from scouts a little more seriously than a guy of a friend who was at Sr bowl. Both articles I posted said Adams stock was rising.

We can just agree to disagree. Tough crowd in here.

[leachisabeast]

No offense but I take written articles from scouts a little more seriously than a guy of a friend who was at Sr bowl. Both articles I posted said Adams stock was rising.

We can just agree to disagree. Tough crowd in here.

What scouts have written articles though? Draft analysts have written articles about him, and tbh with you they are just peoples opinions, no one really knows what the team coaches/scouts behind the scenes are saying or think of a player, in this case Mike Adams. Even draft analysts like Mike Mayock isn't all that high on Adams anyway.

Btw articles on Bleacher report don't count.

[RavensNest]

What scouts have written articles though? Draft analysts have written articles about him, and tbh with you they are just peoples opinions, no one really knows what the team coaches/scouts behind the scenes are saying or think of a player, in this case Mike Adams. Even draft analysts like Mike Mayock isn't all that high on Adams anyway.

Btw articles on Bleacher report don't count.

The ones I read and posted werent bleacher report...mcshay, cosell and bunting all are high on Adams.

Like I said agree to disagree. No worries.

[leachisabeast]

The ones I read and posted werent bleacher report...mcshay, cosell and bunting all are high on Adams.

Like I said agree to disagree. No worries.

Cossell I will go with, I don't listen to anything McShay says. Mike Mayock and Cossell are the only guys I listen to when it comes to the draft really, anyway each to their own opinion.

[wickedsolo]

Right bc when you don't get caught that means you have turned your life around.

Since you're such an article hound, can you show me an article or anything that shows that Jimmy continued/continues to use drugs?

The only fact here is Mike Adams was the only one dumb enough to get caught.

You know, my pledge master once told me while I was pledging my fraternity in college: "If you can't be sneaky, don't be at all."

I know full well that a lot of the NFL uses steroids, drives under the influence, knocks up women left and right, and uses all sorts of drugs. You're giving - for all intents and purposes - KIDS millions of dollars. Most of them are ego maniacs to begin with, so they're going to be looking for attention anywhere they can find (buy?) it.

The problem is when you have a knucklehead who can't figure out when is the time to do a little puff-puff-give and when the time to NOT partake in those activities it makes it really difficult to want to spend 1st round money on the guy who is likely to get caught again.

What I'm trying to get you people to grasp, is that he is a talent with red flags just like our own Jimmy Smith ( who I wanted in 1st rd last yr). Hold people to the same standards.

You first pal.

It's different. Jimmy screwed up when he was younger, cleaned up his act, and hasn't had any issues since.

Mike Adams had issues at college - regardless of what they are - and continued to make poor decisions likely within a few weeks of the biggest job interview of his life.



Oh, and I'll take my friends' word over almost any NFL scout out there considering, you know, he works in the Atlanta Falcons' front office. Or should I take Mike Mayock's word when he openly admitted to being extremely biased towards Notre Dame players and was comparing guys like Harrison Smith to players that he "hasn't watch a lot of film of".

You should go to the Senior Bowl down in Mobile though. It's fun because there are hardly any people there during the practices, which are all open, and most of the scouts sit in the stands. Last year I sat beside 2 scouts from the Chargers organization and they were really drooling over Vincent Brown. Lo and behold, they drafted him.

Here is a fact: The Ravens met twice with Mike Adams during the Senior Bowl and they had scouts there watching him. There is interest there. I just know from watching Buckeye games that he's not someone that plays like a Raven. He's a finesse guy and if you go back and watch film of him you'll see a guy overextend because he's got these long arms and defensive ends took advantage of that. He's also susceptible to speed rushers. I watched Whitney Mercilus destroy Mike Adams a lot during the Illinois game. Mike Adams had a really tough time with him. There is definitely some upside to him and he isn't a bad player. I just don't think he's a good fit for the Ravens offense.

[arnie_uk]

Why does no one just tell this guy to read articles on Justin Houston from last year, since he loves articles and takes the world wide web as gospel.

Now Houston was considered pretty much a lock for a 1st round pick, in fact a lot of ravens where lobbying for him. He then smokes pot before the combine, fails the drug test and bam falls to the third round. Now im not sure if he had previous questions regards his personal life like Adams does, if he didn't its an even bigger fall for a first time offender.

Now compare that too Adams who is considered a BORDERLINE first round choice prior to all this, with the possibility of someone reaching based on potential. He also has past history, then fails the drug test at the combine like Houston.

This is the guy you compare him to, not jimmy smith who clearly matured and cleaned up his act. Jimmy smith is comparable to Michael Floyd, not Adams!

Some team may still draft Adams high, others will have him off the board altogether and the rest will drop him a couple of rounds to the late 2nd or 3rd round.

[leachisabeast]

Why does no one just tell this guy to read articles on Justin Houston from last year, since he loves articles and takes the world wide web as gospel.

Now Houston was considered pretty much a lock for a 1st round pick, in fact a lot of ravens where lobbying for him. He then smokes pot before the combine, fails the drug test and bam falls to the third round. Now im not sure if he had previous questions regards his personal life like Adams does, if he didn't its an even bigger fall for a first time offender.

Now compare that too Adams who is considered a BORDERLINE first round choice prior to all this, with the possibility of someone reaching based on potential. He also has past history, then fails the drug test at the combine like Houston.

This is the guy you compare him to, not jimmy smith who clearly matured and cleaned up his act. Jimmy smith is comparable to Michael Floyd, not Adams!

Some team may still draft Adams high, others will have him off the board altogether and the rest will drop him a couple of rounds to the late 2nd or 3rd round.

Michael Floyd is a perfect example to fairly compare Jimmy Smith to.

[alien bird]

The ones I read and posted werent bleacher report...mcshay, cosell and bunting all are high on Adams.

Interesting choice of words.

The two articles you posted were January 24 and January 29. The Combine was February 22.

One of those articles was by Rob Rang, who is not a scout. He doesn't have any experience as a scout. He's a blogger who created a niche for himself. The other is by SBNation - isn't that a sort of glorified Bleacher Report?

Cosell likes Adams for his on field production. His mock draft is based on tape alone. NFL teams investing millions of dollars have more to consider than just tape.

I'm not saying Mike Adams is bad, and I'm not saying he will fail in the NFL. I just think he isn't worth a first round pick, and his stock has fallen due to his indiscretions, which are recent and not long ago in the past. That's a big difference between him and the Ravens' first pick last year.

The Ravens are big on character now, and I'm sure they've done their homework on Adams. If they think he's good to go, I'm good with that, but my guess is that he isn't going to be their first round pick. I guess wrong sometimes.

[BigPlayReceiver]

I would only add (and it may be in someone's previous post) that sometimes teams will interview/host a dude b/c they want to get a good feel of where another team may draft him. In the case of Adams, think CIN (likes bad boys), OAK (under Al Davis), JAC (perennial reachers) and XYZ (desperate for OL help).

[Ravenswintitle]

Anybody see the Bill Parcells special on ESPN last night? I thought it was awesome. Great insight

[wickedsolo]

Why does no one just tell this guy to read articles on Justin Houston from last year, since he loves articles and takes the world wide web as gospel.

Now Houston was considered pretty much a lock for a 1st round pick, in fact a lot of ravens where lobbying for him. He then smokes pot before the combine, fails the drug test and bam falls to the third round. Now im not sure if he had previous questions regards his personal life like Adams does, if he didn't its an even bigger fall for a first time offender.

Now compare that too Adams who is considered a BORDERLINE first round choice prior to all this, with the possibility of someone reaching based on potential. He also has past history, then fails the drug test at the combine like Houston.

This is the guy you compare him to, not jimmy smith who clearly matured and cleaned up his act. Jimmy smith is comparable to Michael Floyd, not Adams!

Some team may still draft Adams high, others will have him off the board altogether and the rest will drop him a couple of rounds to the late 2nd or 3rd round.

Actually, Justin Houston is a really good comparison.

Super talented, was widely considered a borderline 1st/2nd round pick, and he slipped into the top of the 3rd round because the guy couldn't say NO before the combine.

It doesn't make him a bad person or a bad player. It just makes him a lot more risky. And as far as I'm concerned, Justin Houston was a HELL of a lot better of an OLB/DE than Mike Adams is a left tackle.

[BigPlayReceiver]

Anybody see the Bill Parcells special on ESPN last night? I thought it was awesome. Great insight

Dig it. One of the best "inside-the-game" type of segments that I've ever seen.