Draft Prospects

**RavingMad** · 01-27-2012, 02:43 PM

You are the first I've heard say Martin is a first rounder. Many scouts have him 3rd at best. I see your point though, the kid is a playmaker that shows up in big games. Glad to hear the interest in Brewster. He has size and quick feet. Unless a top prospect fall I don't see them going pass rusher until late with all the young talent already in house.

**RavingMad** · 01-27-2012, 02:52 PM

Another FS option is Aaron Henry out of Wisconsin. I don't think Zibby or Naku is Reed's successor. Not to mention one will most likely follow Chuck.

**BleedPurple92** · 01-27-2012, 02:59 PM

Wicked, did you mock this up yourself? That was an impressive Mock.

I actually sat down and went through it, made a lot of sense.

**wickedsolo** · 01-27-2012, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by PalladinInNC

Wicked,

I hear that Cordy Glenn has also worked some as Center. If Konz is not available when we pick and Glenn drops, would he be a possiblity as our pick as a Center?

Glenn can play pretty much anywhere on the OL, but he's probably best suited for guard or RT. He's been really dominant at the Senior Bowl. I just don't see him dropping to the bottom of round 1. It's rare to get a guy that size who is that strong and moves that well.

**wickedsolo** · 01-27-2012, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by BleedPurple92

Wicked, did you mock this up yourself? That was an impressive Mock.

I actually sat down and went through it, made a lot of sense.

You know it man.

**wickedsolo** · 01-27-2012, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by RavingMad

You are the first I've heard say Martin is a first rounder. Many scouts have him 3rd at best. I see your point though, the kid is a playmaker that shows up in big games. Glad to hear the interest in Brewster. He has size and quick feet. Unless a top prospect fall I don't see them going pass rusher until late with all the young talent already in house.

I dont understand why Martin isn't the #2 rated safety in this class. All he does is make plays. He's not a massive ball hawk, but he's a really good player. If he were on an SEC team he'd probably be spoken of as one of the best defensive players in this class.

He's really impressing coaches at the Senior Bowl.

**bmorecareful** · 01-27-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I dont understand why Martin isn't the #2 rated safety in this class. All he does is make plays. He's not a massive ball hawk, but he's a really good player. If he were on an SEC team he'd probably be spoken of as one of the best defensive players in this class.

He's really impressing coaches at the Senior Bowl.

Martin is an extremely good player. This is a weak safety class and there really aren't any super standouts. Honestly, I'm not sure Martin is not the #1 safety in the class. Mark Barron is a SS ONLY and I don't see him being able to line up in man coverage against TEs and slot receivers. Martin can do that out of both S positions although he is a natural FS. The future of the safety position is much closer to what Martin offers rather than Mark Barron, Robert Lester, etc.

Mike Mayock is trying to talk up Harrison Smith like crazy but I'm not buying it. Mayock is a Notre Dame guy and he admitted earlier in the week that he just plain has not watched a lot of non-ND tape so he doesn't really know what's going on at this point.

There really isn't anybody else. Martin's stock is not in the 1st at this point but he belongs there.

**wickedsolo** · 01-27-2012, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

Martin is an extremely good player. This is a weak safety class and there really aren't any super standouts. Honestly, I'm not sure Martin is not the #1 safety in the class. Mark Barron is a SS ONLY and I don't see him being able to line up in man coverage against TEs and slot receivers. Martin can do that out of both S positions although he is a natural FS. The future of the safety position is much closer to what Martin offers rather than Mark Barron, Robert Lester, etc.

Mike Mayock is trying to talk up Harrison Smith like crazy but I'm not buying it. Mayock is a Notre Dame guy and he admitted earlier in the week that he just plain has not watched a lot of non-ND tape so he doesn't really know what's going on at this point.

There really isn't anybody else. Martin's stock is not in the 1st at this point but he belongs there.

That's pretty much how I feel as well. I think that this kid can impact a team like Eric Berry did with the Chiefs.

Also agree with Mayock. He's really pushing hard for Harrison Smith. Now, Smith is a good prospect...but you'd think he was the #1 or #2 safety in this draft if you listened to just Mayock.

**arnie_uk** · 01-27-2012, 04:41 PM

i think you have the browns giving up far far too much for 3 spots. 2 first, a third and a future second?? the two first is plenty...

**wickedsolo** · 01-27-2012, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by arnie_uk

i think you have the browns giving up far far too much for 3 spots. 2 first, a third and a future second?? the two first is plenty...

Swapping their #4 for the Rams #2 and giving the Rams their #22 pick and #118 pick (4th round) and the #2 pick in 2013? I don't think that's too much. Obviously it's too hard to tell what the Rams will want, but based on the fact that the Raiders gave Cinci a 1st and a 2nd in 2013 that could have become a 1st...I dont know. How much is RGIII worth?

You could argue that the Browns don't really need a whole lot and with competent QB play the rest of their receivers, backs, and OL becomes much better. They've already got a decent defense.

I just think that the Browns are going to do whatever it takes to get RGIII before they're so behind in the division that it's another decade before they're able to really compete again. Of the teams that really need a QB they are the only team with the picks to make it happen. They're still getting a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 7th....and for all I know they may have multiple picks in those rounds.

**arnie_uk** · 01-27-2012, 04:58 PM

well heres just a link to a table of values for each picks, obviously its not accurate, but here it is anyway http://wordpressdev.nepatriotsdraft....valuechart.jpg

consider flacons went from 21 - 5, thats 22 spots.. they gave up a one, two and four that year. then the next years one and four.

You have the browns giving up two ones this year, and a four, and then a two next year for 2 spots?? that extra one this year is of equal value than a two this year, and a one and four next (which atl gave clev) because your going to get immdiate return on it. i would be very very shocked to see them give up much more than there two 1sts to make that move

**wickedsolo** · 01-27-2012, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by arnie_uk

well heres just a link to a table of values for each picks, obviously its not accurate, but here it is anyway http://wordpressdev.nepatriotsdraft....valuechart.jpg

consider flacons went from 21 - 5, thats 22 spots.. they gave up a one, two and four that year. then the next years one and four.

You have the browns giving up two ones this year, and a four, and then a two next year for 2 spots?? that extra one this year is of equal value than a two this year, and a one and four next (which atl gave clev) because your going to get immdiate return on it. i would be very very shocked to see them give up much more than there two 1sts to make that move

I can guarantee you that the Browns will give up at least 3 picks to move up to the Rams #2 spot. They'll swap 1sts, give up their other 1st and then a late round pick...maybe 4th, maybe 5th or 6th. The Rams will say to the Redskins and Browns - whoever gives us the best deal will get RGIII. You can bet your ass that Dan Snyder is going to be chomping at the bit to get up to that spot, but the Browns have 2 1st rounders this year and the Redskins dont.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-27-2012, 05:30 PM

Browns aren't moving up, you wait

**The Excellector** · 01-27-2012, 05:39 PM

If they do, it will be with more than two first round picks.

**wickedsolo** · 01-27-2012, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Browns aren't moving up, you wait

You don't think so?

**The Excellector** · 01-27-2012, 05:53 PM

How does Robert Griffin fit into a West Coast style of offense?

**Jeremiah W** · 01-27-2012, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

How does Robert Griffin fit into a West Coast style of offense?

Like Steve Young did.

**wickedsolo** · 01-27-2012, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

How does Robert Griffin fit into a West Coast style of offense?

Like Jeremiah W said, RGIII is the type of guy who could fit into a lot of different schemes. Frankly, one of the biggest problems that the Browns have had since Derek Anderson was there is that they really just haven't had the ability to go downfield at all. It's a lot easier to defend the Browns' offense knowing that Colt McCoy can't (and won't) throw it more than 20-25 yards down the field.

**leachisabeast** · 01-27-2012, 08:20 PM

I've been thinking about who we want to look at in the second round of the draft, and I have to say I have fallen in love (no homo) with this kid LaMichael James, the Oregon Ducks RB. He could add a new element to our offense, can you imagine having to defend Rice and James on screen play's or dump off's? He is undersized at only 5 foot 9 and 185 pounds, and has had off field troubles which is why he is projected to be a late second round/early third rounder, but man this kid is faaast. Next season we could have Ray Rice as our every down back, Ricky Williams for power run plays, and James for screens and such which is what he excels at. It would be similar to the threat the Saints have. Oh and did I mention he can return punts and kicks at a high level too?

Some highlights of him