Draft Prospects

**pslholder96** · 02-09-2012, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Supposedly he can run in the mid 4.3's. So, there is reason to think that he could be a burner.

I don't think he's a very physical receiver though.

Hmmm..sounds like Yamon Figurs??...Wasn't he a blazer drafted in the 3rd round.

**wickedsolo** · 02-09-2012, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

Hmmm..sounds like Yamon Figurs??...Wasn't he a blazer drafted in the 3rd round.

Yes, but Figurs was pretty small (weight wise). Givens has some thickness to him. I watched a few Wake games this past season and from what I can tell he's a pretty good all-around player. Not a 1-dimensional guy at all.

**BleedPurple92** · 02-09-2012, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Yes, but Figurs was pretty small (weight wise). Givens has some thickness to him. I watched a few Wake games this past season and from what I can tell he's a pretty good all-around player. Not a 1-dimensional guy at all.

I know you don't like Mayock, but you've gotta admit he's one of the best..

If he has givens in his top 5, which btw, i didn't see coming... then the kid must be good. Mayock has film too, plus we really haven't seen this kid play, i know i haven't. Living close to the Wake Forrest market, let alone you people from up north. I went and looked his numbers and credentials after i saw Mayock's list, they are outstanding. I cant believe i really hadn't heard of him before Mayock, i'm usually up on my draftees.

Also whoever said he was slow needs to put down the booze, this kid is speed.

**The Excellector** · 02-09-2012, 05:14 PM

His speed might be a hair below Torrey and DeSean. Then again, it might be on point. If the team is looking for another vertical threat, I think that he would be the guy to bring in. He has great hands, quickness and, from what I gather, is a natural for the vertical routes.

He is not physical, but uses his quickness at the line. He has trouble getting off of the jam with more physical CBs who can get their hands on him. Will that be an issue? Didn't Torrey has similar knocks against him when he came out? In this case, for those concerned, Torrey would be stronger than Givens, even though they are listed similarly.

**kwothdaraven** · 02-10-2012, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

His speed might be a hair below Torrey and DeSean. Then again, it might be on point. If the team is looking for another vertical threat, I think that he would be the guy to bring in. He has great hands, quickness and, from what I gather, is a natural for the vertical routes.

He is not physical, but uses his quickness at the line. He has trouble getting off of the jam with more physical CBs who can get their hands on him. Will that be an issue? Didn't Torrey has similar knocks against him when he came out? In this case, for those concerned, Torrey would be stronger than Givens, even though they are listed similarly.

The ravens should look at tommy streeter out of miami northwestern around the 3rd rd. 6'5 woth 3.8 speed

**wickedsolo** · 02-10-2012, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by kwothdaraven

The ravens should look at tommy streeter out of miami northwestern around the 3rd rd. 6'5 woth 3.8 speed

3.8 speed huh?

When did Usain Bolt change his name to Tommy Streeter?

**GOTA** · 02-10-2012, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

3.8 speed huh?

When did Usain Bolt change his name to Tommy Streeter?

LOL! Deion wishes he could run like Streeter

**GOTA** · 02-10-2012, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

His speed might be a hair below Torrey and DeSean. Then again, it might be on point. If the team is looking for another vertical threat, I think that he would be the guy to bring in. He has great hands, quickness and, from what I gather, is a natural for the vertical routes.

He is not physical, but uses his quickness at the line. He has trouble getting off of the jam with more physical CBs who can get their hands on him. Will that be an issue? Didn't Torrey has similar knocks against him when he came out? In this case, for those concerned, Torrey would be stronger than Givens, even though they are listed similarly.

What I don't like is that if he's having a tough time getting jammed in college he's going to get mauled in the NFL. Plus receivers need to be able to block down field. Guess we'll find out more at the Combine

**alien bird** · 02-10-2012, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

Plus receivers need to be able to block down field.

Speaking of which, have you seen Mohammed Sanu block? The guy is an animal.

On a similar note, I wouldn't mind if the Ravens used the 2nd or 3rd round pick to take Brian Quick. The guy is big, seems to be able to get off the line, catch in traffic, get downfield, and break tackles. It may have been the level of competition Appalachian State played, but he looks like a man among boys out there.

**wickedsolo** · 02-10-2012, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by alien bird

Speaking of which, have you seen Mohammed Sanu block? The guy is an animal.

On a similar note, I wouldn't mind if the Ravens used the 2nd or 3rd round pick to take Brian Quick. The guy is big, seems to be able to get off the line, catch in traffic, get downfield, and break tackles. It may have been the level of competition Appalachian State played, but he looks like a man among boys out there.

Yea, he's going to be an interesting option. The thing with Quick is a lot of folks said he looked slow and sluggish at the Senior Bowl. He really didn't do himself many favors.

Again, and I keep saying this, I'd much rather get Marvin McNutt or Mohammed Sanu in the 2nd if they're gunning for a WR in the 2nd.

**arnie_uk** · 02-10-2012, 07:34 AM

I dont think you will get sanu in the second, we would need to get him in the first, or obviously trade back into early second, or up from our second. a lot of teams will have WR as their second need in my eyes, and take him in the second round before we got a chance. Think Browns, Eagles, Texans, 49ers, Rams, Vikings, Washington, Cardinals, i could go on.. almost every team needs another WR and if Sanu is there in the second it would be too hard for them to pass up on in my eyes

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Yea, he's going to be an interesting option. The thing with Quick is a lot of folks said he looked slow and sluggish at the Senior Bowl. He really didn't do himself many favors.

Again, and I keep saying this, I'd much rather get Marvin McNutt or Mohammed Sanu in the 2nd if they're gunning for a WR in the 2nd.

**Carey** · 02-10-2012, 08:23 AM

Didnt know Baylor's Phillip Blake used to play RT as well, the more and more i see and read up on him the more like, i think he'd be a great pick for the Ravens

**GOTA** · 02-10-2012, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Carey

Didnt know Baylor's Phillip Blake used to play RT as well, the more and more i see and read up on him the more like, i think he'd be a great pick for the Ravens

All these Baylor kids look awesome. That was a heck of team.

**wickedsolo** · 02-10-2012, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Carey

Didnt know Baylor's Phillip Blake used to play RT as well, the more and more i see and read up on him the more like, i think he'd be a great pick for the Ravens

He's a good player.

2 knocks on him right now though:

1 - He'd be a 26 year old rookie, IIRC.

2 - He showed up to the Senior Bowl looking like he hadn't been in the gym in quite some time and his conditioning was lacking during the Senior Bowl practices.

**Carey** · 02-10-2012, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

He's a good player.

2 knocks on him right now though:

1 - He'd be a 26 year old rookie, IIRC.

2 - He showed up to the Senior Bowl looking like he hadn't been in the gym in quite some time and his conditioning was lacking during the Senior Bowl practices.

Didnt know that, still baffles me how these guys are heading to the biggest job interviews of their lives and show up out of shape. He could have at least treadmilled it lol

**wickedsolo** · 02-10-2012, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Carey

Didnt know that, still baffles me how these guys are heading to the biggest job interviews of their lives and show up out of shape. He could have at least treadmilled it lol

I don't get that either.

He wasn't the only one.

**The Excellector** · 02-10-2012, 10:25 AM

Is it just me or are there not a lot of WRs to set your heart on this year?

Back to the ILBs, it all comes down to this: Do you draft the guy that could start immediately, pick up the defense immediately and it likely a Pro Bowl caliber guy in the making, or do you pick up the 'lion', sort of speak, where, if he's tamed he could be the best LB in the league and if he's not, he could be a journeyman in three years?

**Carey** · 02-10-2012, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Is it just me or are there not a lot of WRs to set your heart on this year?

Back to the ILBs, it all comes down to this: Do you draft the guy that could start immediately, pick up the defense immediately and it likely a Pro Bowl caliber guy in the making, or do you pick up the 'lion', sort of speak, where, if he's tamed he could be the best LB in the league and if he's not, he could be a journeyman in three years?

interesting way to put it, i love them both but to me its a no brainer...you take Burfict over Hightower every day of the week. Hightower is a 3-4 thumper, elite in the box run defender and could actually play some strong side and be a decent rusher on 3rd down. Burfict is that same 3-4 thumper but has the speed and instincts to never come off the field, he has the makings of a special 3-4 ILB and his question marks arent drug or motor related.

**The Excellector** · 02-10-2012, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Carey

interesting way to put it, i love them both but to me its a no brainer...you take Burfict over Hightower every day of the week. Hightower is a 3-4 thumper, elite in the box run defender and could actually play some strong side and be a decent rusher on 3rd down. Burfict is that same 3-4 thumper but has the speed and instincts to never come off the field, he has the makings of a special 3-4 ILB and his question marks arent drug or motor related.

I am taking the guy that was the leader of that Alabama defense, the most football intelligent ILB in this draft. He is certainly capable of being an every down backer. There are plenty of examples of linebackers who were either one dimensional when they declared for the draft or simply were not good in coverage, who developed into good-very good coverage LBs.

**leachisabeast** · 02-10-2012, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

I am taking the guy that was the leader of that Alabama defense, the most football intelligent ILB in this draft. He is certainly capable of being an every down backer. There are plenty of examples of linebackers who were either one dimensional when they declared for the draft or simply were not good in coverage, who developed into good-very good coverage LBs.

I'm sorry but Hightower looked better because of the talent that surrounded him on that defense. Burfict can pass rush from the middle, can close gaps much faster that Hightower can, and plays with tons more aggression IMO, and a huge plus that gives Burfict the advantage is the fact that he is better in pass coverage. Like I said, Hightower will be solid on a good defense, but he isn't gonna offer you much more than what McClain currently offers.