Kurt Warner on the Ravens Offense.

[Bl1tz]

If John keeps sweeping his pups messes under the rug, is he not at as much fault in the end

Surely the stench is catching up

[BcRaven]

One "problem" the Ravens have had is that they were successful in Flacco's rookie season (going to the AFCCCG). At this time the Ravens have been victorious despite Cam. IMO we can't take the next step up the ladder unless an offensive change is made at the top. Why did Harbaugh let Jim Zorn go? ... Bc

[JimZipCode]

Lets just be glad that Cameron has only seven more games with the Ravens.

Ten more games.

[Teavo]

What's agonizing is that the core problem of the offense is one that can easily be understood and the necessary changes (in a broad sense) verbalized by commentators, casual observers, and even the average posters on a message board like us.

Cam Cam has the mental tools to tinker with the details of an offense that us casual types couldn't manage.

But when it comes to the big picture, to the strategic high level plan, we average joes can see it and Cam Cam (or worse, John Harbaugh too) cannot.

It's like an automotive engineer touting his latest design and its amazingly efficient low-friction drive system. Then a bunch of message board posters take it for a test drive and realize that the car is dangerously top-heavy and will roll over and kill all the passengers if you turn it too tight. And then Cam the engineer looks at us all funny, and sternly reminds us that this car has an amazingly efficient low-friction drive system.

In other words, I don't pretend that I know the details of a modern NFL offense. But I can see when something is dramatically wrong. So can almost the entire rest of the football-watching world! Yet the Ravens offensive coaching staff - possibly including Harbaugh - cannot see the bigger picture, and it may well be their downfall.

I think Cam actually could fix the square-peg-round-hole problems if he wanted to. The problem is that he doesn't see a problem. 50+ passes should have meant victory, right? The only possible issue is that the players need to execute better. And keep repeating that all the way to the unemployment line.

[Paintballguy]

I certainly don't. Kurt Warner, even 2-3 years ago when he was still playing, was a pitiful QB in temperatures under 50 degrees. Put him in a dome or in Arizona and he was a dynamo. Put him in cold weather and he shriveled up dramatically as a QB. Heading into these cold weather games, I'll stick with a QB who has a documented history of winning games in cold weather.

He beat the Eagles in Philly in the NFC Championship the year they went to the superbowl. The temperature was 30*.

[Rochardrik]

Ten more games.

[GOTA]

One "problem" the Ravens have had is that they were successful in Flacco's rookie season (going to the AFCCCG). At this time the Ravens have been victorious despite Cam. IMO we can't take the next step up the ladder unless an offensive change is made at the top. Why did Harbaugh let Jim Zorn go? ... Bc

Zorn was hired because they wanted Flacco to get extra coaching.

Zorn was fired because Flacco had too many voices talking to him.

It's just too bad no one asked Flacco which voices he wanted to hear. We all remember how upset he was when Zorn left.

[Dade]

Everyone keeps saying Harbaugh needs to make Cameron change his ways, what if this is what Harbaugh wants offensively? A pass first offense like the staff he was a member of in Philly?

KVV made this point in his Sun column this week. Harbaugh said he would be and apparently IS more involved in the offense this year - if Harbaugh wasn't okay with how the offense was being ran, he'd make Cameron change it up.

If thats the case there's a huge disconnect between the coaching staff and Oz. You don't sign Vonta to be a pass happy offense like Philly.

[LukeDaniel]

He beat the Eagles in Philly in the NFC Championship the year they went to the superbowl. The temperature was 30*.

This is a clear slap in the face of my intelligence as well as the collective intelligence of everyone here. I'm surprised nobody else spoke up yet. This is sorta the ABCs of football knowledge.

The two times that Kurt Warner has faced the Eagles, both games have been at home. In 2002 the game was at Edward Jones and in 09 (the game I'm guessing you are erroneously referencing) the game was in Phoenix. This is pretty basic knowledge. The Cardinals won their division that year. The Eagles were a wild card, having finished 2nd in their division to the Giants, who were the #1 overall seed.

What's worst of all is that not only did you get the facts wrong, but you COMPLETELY FABRICATED a temperature in Philadelphia to make your argument seem at all valid. Perhaps it was 30 degrees in Philadelphia that day, but the game was played on the other coast.

This is a severe breach of basic knowledge for any Raven fan because the Philly/AZ game was played immediately before the Raven/Steeler AFC championship game.

[LukeDaniel]

Oh yea, coincidentally to make my point all the stronger....Warner, in his last cold weather game of that 08-09 season, was 6-for-18 for 30 yards in a 47-7 loss in New England.

Typical Kurt Warner. Brilliant in ideal situations surrounded by future HOF receivers. Horrific in anything but ideal climate and situations. Since we play in the northeast, I'll stick with Flacco and his history of winning in cold temperatures.

[rharris1986]

ten more games.

dream on!

[SC_Raven_Fan]

I wish Kurt Warner was on the Ravens offense

You can't seriously be that hard-up for another quarterback.

Joe is in his 4th year as a player and he's being buried left and right on this board. It's insane. Flacco hasn't even come close to his ceiling.

He needs a good teacher..... like the guys that Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers had AFTER Cam Cameron left.

[Raven Maniac]

I heard Warner's analysis of Flacco and Mark Sanchez, which was spot on IMO.

[Raven Maniac]

One "problem" the Ravens have had is that they were successful in Flacco's rookie season (going to the AFCCCG). At this time the Ravens have been victorious despite Cam. IMO we can't take the next step up the ladder unless an offensive change is made at the top. Why did Harbaugh let Jim Zorn go? ... Bc

Couldn't agree more Bc. One of the biggest mistakes that this coaching staff has made regarding Flacco IMO, has not been playing to his particular skill set or strengths. Cam (again IMO) has been trying to force Flacco to be the type of QB that most resembles what he (Cameron) wants him to be, instead playing to his skill set. I don't know what Harbaugh's thing is with Cam or why he let Zorn go. IMO, he has some kind of misguided loyalty issue that is eventually going to bite him in the arse if he doesn't wise up.

[mfdoom42]

I thought last year was a make or break year for him. He is still here because JH is too hard headed to make the change.

He's still here because Ozzie & Harbaugh didn't want to rollout a new offensive system and coordinator with no offseason.

[phatboy]

Do any of you remember Matt Cavanaugh??? It was the same thing back then. We have always had Head Coaches dedicated to their OC's. We are just stupid fans with no knowledge of the game. Cam has never been a good OC nor HC. We can only hope Ray retires and becomes our Head Coach

[festivus]

Do any of you remember Matt Cavanaugh??? It was the same thing back then.

Every year Matt Cavanaugh made chicken salad as best he could out of the chicken shit he had for personnel.

We have the most talent the Baltimore Ravens have *ever* had on the offensive side of the ball. Our productivity, or lack thereof, is a joke.

[JAB1985]

Every year Matt Cavanaugh made chicken salad as best he could out of the chicken shit he had for personnel.

We have the most talent the Baltimore Ravens have *ever* had on the offensive side of the ball. Our productivity, or lack thereof, is a joke.

Billick has said as much. He puts a lot of it on joe flacco but i think hes covering for his coaching brethren. Flacco makes mistakes but hes not solely responsible for this disaster. I cant wait to see what we are when we have a competent OC.

FTR cam did pretty decent in san diego. I think they may have had the best offense the year before he left. They had so much talent it was impossible for him to fail in the situation, but you can certainly argue the players got better when they/he left and actually had an offense designed for their strengths which cam has shown an inability to do.

[Ravenate]

This is a clear slap in the face of my intelligence as well as the collective intelligence of everyone here. I'm surprised nobody else spoke up yet. This is sorta the ABCs of football knowledge.

The two times that Kurt Warner has faced the Eagles, both games have been at home. In 2002 the game was at Edward Jones and in 09 (the game I'm guessing you are erroneously referencing) the game was in Phoenix. This is pretty basic knowledge. The Cardinals won their division that year. The Eagles were a wild card, having finished 2nd in their division to the Giants, who were the #1 overall seed.

What's worst of all is that not only did you get the facts wrong, but you COMPLETELY FABRICATED a temperature in Philadelphia to make your argument seem at all valid. Perhaps it was 30 degrees in Philadelphia that day, but the game was played on the other coast.

This is a severe breach of basic knowledge for any Raven fan because the Philly/AZ game was played immediately before the Raven/Steeler AFC championship game.

Not gonna get into the argument of whether Warner could play in the cold. But I think he was referring to the St Louis-Philly championship game in 99 which was in Philly.

[Iscull]

He's still here because Ozzie & Harbaugh didn't want to rollout a new offensive system and coordinator with no offseason.

Exactly. They knew they would still be a pretty good team regardless, no reason to jeopardize that. This offseason he will be gone. I'm hoping for a good OC and QB coach.