Should this have been called?

**wickedsolo** · 11-29-2011, 07:54 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPC_mBjzy2E

If the guy gets there as soon as the ball is being caught, isn't that the point?

It's kind of like during the SOUNDFX of Harbs during the niners game: "Don't guess! Don't guess! You have to be right on that!"

**edtude** · 11-29-2011, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPC_mBjzy2E

If the guy gets there as soon as the ball is being caught, isn't that the point?

It's kind of like during the SOUNDFX of Harbs during the niners game: "Don't guess! Don't guess! You have to be right on that!"

No, but the hit on Graham in the second half should not have been called either. Both were just viscous hits, but hey it is a contact sport. The dancing around like an idiot afterwards while the player is still unconscious on the ground is a bit rude but that is the game I guess.

**RavensRock** · 11-29-2011, 08:01 AM

I saw this play last night. It looked like a helmet to helmet hit to me in real time. I agree the DBs should not hit helmet to helmet. Problem is to many plays are called when a DB makes a clean hit and is call for a personal foul.

The Ray Lewis hit on Dustin Keller a year ago was textbook.

**wickedsolo** · 11-29-2011, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by RavensRock

I saw this play last night. It looked like a helmet to helmet hit to me in real time. I agree the DBs should not hit helmet to helmet. Problem is to many plays are called when a DB makes a clean hit and is call for a personal foul.

The Ray Lewis hit on Dustin Keller a year ago was textbook.

Pollard's hit in the Jags game comes to mind.

**Ravenswintitle** · 11-29-2011, 08:03 AM

that USED to be a great hit, not anymore.

**edtude** · 11-29-2011, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by RavensRock

I saw this play last night. It looked like a helmet to helmet hit to me in real time. I agree the DBs should not hit helmet to helmet. Problem is to many plays are called when a DB makes a clean hit and is call for a personal foul.

The Ray Lewis hit on Dustin Keller a year ago was textbook.

No the real problem is that if you called every helmet to helmet contact, every contact with the helmet, because remember that is illegal too, the game would never be finished! Really watch the game and you will absolutely be amazed at the amount of contact that is not called. I do High School football and I will tell you many times it is unavoidable. It is a very tough call.

**Tucking** · 11-29-2011, 08:33 AM

NFL is a pussy league, there was nothing wrong with that hit. Also that Roughing the passer call on ELI was BS too

**Ravenswintitle** · 11-29-2011, 08:40 AM

Tuck - forgot that roughing the passer call; pathetic. he basically pushed him down and got a flag for it. this call is so inconsistent.

**BmoreBrawla** · 11-29-2011, 08:44 AM

Yes, helmet to helmet. Although I have seen Vonta Leach get hit helmet first a couple times and it not called because the refs know he is tough.

**JMUpurkfool** · 11-29-2011, 08:53 AM

It was a horrible call. He was trying to square him up in the strike zone but the rule is something to the effect of "you have to let them catch it and take a step before you make contact and even if you do that we're still gonna throw a flag".

**BleedPurple92** · 11-29-2011, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

that USED to be a great hit, not anymore.

I miss that. Watching that last night, man Gruden made a great point. Remember John Lynch? Rodney Harrison, those guys wouldn't survive in today's NFL sadly.

**BleedPurple92** · 11-29-2011, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Pollard's hit in the Jags game comes to mind.

I call the unnecessary roughness penalty the... If it looks like it really hurt throw the flag penalty.

That Pollard hit was textbook, and it was still called.

**JAB1985** · 11-29-2011, 09:26 AM

I dont really see the argument. youre not allowed to hit a "defenseless receiver" in todays NFL. he had no time to adjust so therefore hes defenseless. It should have been called and will be called every time. This is no longer the NFL of a few years ago, I think people have a hard time accepting that.

**Sirdowski** · 11-29-2011, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by BmoreBrawla

Yes, helmet to helmet. Although I have seen Vonta Leach get hit helmet first a couple times and it not called because the refs know he is tough.

There is absolutely no helmet to helmet in that hit.

**DkBlue** · 11-29-2011, 09:46 AM

It was right to the head. Hope he enjoyed the dance as it will cost him 10-15K.

**Ravenswintitle** · 11-29-2011, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by DkBlue

It was right to the head. Hope he enjoyed the dance as it will cost him 10-15K.

Even if he hit shoulders it would've been called in today's game. (defenseless receiver). Regarding the fine, I'm not sure how much the players care. It's tax deductible and they send a message to the receiver. I guess it varies from team to team but I doubt if the coaches would discourage these hits on many teams.

**wickedsolo** · 11-29-2011, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Even if he hit shoulders it would've been called in today's game. (defenseless receiver). Regarding the fine, I'm not sure how much the players care. It's tax deductible and they send a message to the receiver. I guess it varies from team to team but I doubt if the coaches would discourage these hits on many teams.

You're probably right.

Everyone was celebrating the hit. It wasn't just the guy.

**JStruds** · 11-29-2011, 09:55 AM

A little OT. It's interesting to note that posts 15 and 16 above indicate completely opposite views of the same video. Is it any wonder why referees miss calls that must be made instantly after full speed plays?

**lobachevsky** · 11-29-2011, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Even if he hit shoulders it would've been called in today's game. (defenseless receiver).

Um...no. Otherwise Ray's "kellerization" of Dustin Keller in last year's Jets game wouldn't have been sent around by the league office as an example of a thunderous but legal hit.

Originally Posted by BmoreBrawla

...I have seen Vonta Leach get hit helmet first a couple times and it not called because the refs know he is tough.

Um...no. It's "not called" because it's not an infraction--the rule only applies to a "defenseless receiver." I've never seen Leach hit while he was in the act of catching the ball & tucking it away--after which he's no longer defenseless.

**itsernst** · 11-29-2011, 10:55 AM

I get the defenseless receiver argument, but how do you prevent him from catching the ball? Do you just let him catch and push him to the ground after he has taken 2 steps upfield? It seems like they are taking some of the competitive nature out of the game if hits are not allowed to happen.