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    Re: The Entitlement Mentality



    Michael Gerson of the ONE Campaign called Galen's type of thinking "the soft bigotry of low expectations".
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    Re: The Entitlement Mentality

    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    I wasn't just blaming her. I was also blaming you.

    Why don't you answer the question I asked? What gives you the right to steal money from my family?
    Why would I answer such a ridiculously flawed and illogical question? Where have I ever suggested that it was okay for me to steal money from your family? I really have no need for your money.

    Why don't you take a deep breath and think about a question that is germane to the conversation and not some atrocious red herring?








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    Re: The Entitlement Mentality

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Michael Gerson of the ONE Campaign called Galen's type of thinking "the soft bigotry of low expectations".
    Actually the use of the soft bigotry quote you are referring to is about heterogenous grouping in classes that I just said I support. You might want to check your sources or at least your understanding of them.

    The woman you all so adamantly despise is more than likely a good example of decades of homogenous grouping and not so much an inherent desore to steal all of Darbs money but that takes a more sophisticated level of thinking than just blaming her.








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    Where do you think government money comes from Galin?
    This is a novel I was asked to proofread. The author is giving 10% of the profits to kidney research, which is a big deal in the Darb household. Fair warning; it's a fantasy novel, and the main characters are lesbians. It's three bucks on kindle from Amazon.http://www.amazon.com/WINDOWS-BROKEN...ken+fairy+tale




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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    Actually the use of the soft bigotry quote you are referring to is about heterogenous grouping in classes that I just said I support. You might want to check your sources or at least your understanding of them.

    The woman you all so adamantly despise is more than likely a good example of decades of homogenous grouping and not so much an inherent desore to steal all of Darbs money but that takes a more sophisticated level of thinking than just blaming her.
    Who is blaming this solely on her?

    Everybody on this thread, except you, is blaming the flawed system. It's like National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, when Clark doesn't get the bonus he's been expecting. He freaks out because he has been conditioned to expect that money. That woman has been conditioned to expect someone to give her a handout.

    People like her are taught, from birth to adulthood, to expect handouts from the government. That is why that woman said, and I quote, "Somebody needs to pay for my kids."

    She's right, someone does need to pay for her kids. Her. She doesn't think that it is her responsibility and it's people like you who conditioned her to think that. Why should my tax money go to her? 800$ a month she was getting from the government and she's still complaining.

    Nobody, outside of Bruise, knows this but my son has Alport's Syndrome. I won't go into great detail about the disease but twice a year we have to go see a kidney specialist in Birmingham. Does the government give me any money for that? Nope, because it's MY job to make sure Breean is taken care of. Not yours, or T's, or Trap's. Mine.
    This is a novel I was asked to proofread. The author is giving 10% of the profits to kidney research, which is a big deal in the Darb household. Fair warning; it's a fantasy novel, and the main characters are lesbians. It's three bucks on kindle from Amazon.http://www.amazon.com/WINDOWS-BROKEN...ken+fairy+tale




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    Re: The Entitlement Mentality

    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    Where do you think government money comes from Galin?
    I don't know Darb...maybe me stealing it from your pocket?

    I think the intelligent question you are trying to ask if I take the time to work through your reactive anger is:

    Why Galen do you think everyone should have equal opportunity when nature has always favored the strong survive or at least prosper?

    If you ask your question like that it opens up a philosphical debate.

    When you ask low-brow questions like why do I think it is okay to steal your money in a condescending manner it just makes me question your ability to engage in anything worthwhile here.








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    Re: The Entitlement Mentality

    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    Who is blaming this solely on her? Everybody on this thread, except you, is blaming the flawed system.
    Which flawed system is that Darb?

    The one that saw her as a black female in school and placed her in standard level classes, at best, with the rest of her low-income minority friends where the expectation was never to move up to AP classes but instead, to simply not distrupt the class?

    That flawed system?

    or this conservative mantra that minority kids are taught to have unlimited kids, not work and quit school early so they get their dignity eroding independence cards and live for free in some rat infested, lead painted, bullet richocheting housing project next to the chemical plant all so that in the end they end up with 15 kids, their father in jail and no where to go but a cheap hotel room?

    Believe me, I blame the flawed system and it has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with people of privilege, of which I consider myself to be one, desperately holding onto their little piece of the pie so no one else might even get the satisfaction of a sniff of it. It erodes communities from the bottom up while they keep you waiting for the glory to trickle down.

    Problems like what this woman is experiencing will never be solved when your first reaction to her and subsequently your proposed solution for her is one that originates from disgust for her.








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    Re: The Entitlement Mentality

    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    So you can sit upon your priviledged caste of adequately resourced families and unparalleled opportunities as white, middle-class males and cast shame on an individual that you know very little about.
    That's a grade-A cop out. The "who are we to judge" card. Who are you to cast condemnation based off of this racist picture you have painted of us? You imply we are racists in every post, you are just to much of a coward to come out and say it.

    however much you despise her lazy brown ass
    The consensus is not that we despise the beneficiaries of welfare, but the system itself. The fact that you would even go there is a representation of the atypical liberal view of reality, and how the liberal MO is to attack those with dissenting views.

    We're the merciless ones for despising the mentality in question, but your the saint for wanting to throw them a bone? Because lets be honest here, that is all welfare is. It seems to me your preaching has more to do with pity than it does a desire to find a way to help the less fortunate.
    “Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    I don't know Darb...maybe me stealing it from your pocket?

    I think the intelligent question you are trying to ask if I take the time to work through your reactive anger is:

    Why Galen do you think everyone should have equal opportunity when nature has always favored the strong survive or at least prosper?

    If you ask your question like that it opens up a philosphical debate.

    When you ask low-brow questions like why do I think it is okay to steal your money in a condescending manner it just makes me question your ability to engage in anything worthwhile here.

    No. I'm asking why you think it is alright to take money from me and spend it on things YOU think are worthwhile, ignoring the things I think are worthwhile. As stated in my previous post, I would much rather my money go to finding a cure for my son's health issues as opposed to pretty much anything else.

    Now on to your comment about giving everyone an equal opportunity. You do realize that everybody has free access to a high school education, right? Once they've graduated, it is easier for a minority or poor student to get help paying for college than it is for a middle class white person. How is that equal? A lot of my students who do come from middle class families have to work full time jobs to pay for school.

    In Georgia, every high school graduate who earns a B average gets free tuition to a state school. That sounds like a very fair deal to me. You work hard, you get rewarded. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
    This is a novel I was asked to proofread. The author is giving 10% of the profits to kidney research, which is a big deal in the Darb household. Fair warning; it's a fantasy novel, and the main characters are lesbians. It's three bucks on kindle from Amazon.http://www.amazon.com/WINDOWS-BROKEN...ken+fairy+tale




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    Re: The Entitlement Mentality

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirdowski View Post
    That's a grade-A cop out. The "who are we to judge" card. Who are you to cast condemnation based off of this racist picture you have painted of us? You imply we are racists in every post, you are just to much of a coward to come out and say it.
    I guess it is just coincidence that everytime conservatives remark on negative qualities of the welfare state, they show minorities ranting incoherently. It is an artifact from the 60's and the Republican southern strategy. Diminsh the value of the Democrat initiatives of working from the bottom up by convincing the white majority that Democrats only want transfer white wealth (and their women haha) to blacks.


    The consensus is not that we despise the beneficiaries of welfare, but the system itself. The fact that you would even go there is a representation of the atypical liberal view of reality, and how the liberal MO is to attack those with dissenting views.
    Oh my bad, I guess my atypical view of reality led me to think these comments were more directed at an individual than a system:

    Quote Originally Posted by 4G63 View Post
    15 fucking kids? Really?!?

    Where are the fathers? Isn't there child support in Florida? Ever heard of condoms or birth control?
    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I was also a little disgusted that she had so little self-decency that she could act like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    That woman was getting 800$ a month from taxpayers and she's to lazy to find a job.
    You might have the intellectual dexterity to distinguish between systemic problems and the character of an individual but I wouldn't suggest that's demonstrated by the consensus around here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sirdowski View Post
    We're the merciless ones for despising the mentality in question, but your the saint for wanting to throw them a bone? Because lets be honest here, that is all welfare is. It seems to me your preaching has more to do with pity than it does a desire to find a way to help the less fortunate.
    Never have I suggested to throw anyone a bone. There are few people in my life who would describe me as acting out of pity...in fact, that suggestion would incite many a laugh I am sure.

    What I have suggested is maybe you guys should try a different paradigm in looking at poverty; one other than disgust and other than emananting from a political ideology as in liberalism causes poverty. Poverty has existed long before politics and certainly long before liberalism. Poverty, for most, is as much a product of a self-fulfilling prophesy than any other variable and is generated from generational role models of the said individual as well as low expectations from the privileged one's charged with the task to change the outcome.

    To simply tell impoverished people to go get a job is as insensitive as telling a depressed person to just get up and be happy.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    I guess it is just coincidence that everytime conservatives remark on negative qualities of the welfare state, they show minorities ranting incoherently. It is an artifact from the 60's and the Republican southern strategy. Diminsh the value of the Democrat initiatives of working from the bottom up by convincing the white majority that Democrats only want transfer white wealth (and their women haha) to blacks.
    This is the great lie of the Liberal. That somehow Democrats who in those same 60's opposed civil rights legislation, integration, and who's Ku Klux Klan leaders made Senator of West Virginia somehow have minorities in their interests.

    The truth and fact is that what the left needs out of minorities is simply their vote. And to do so they need to keep them thinking they are not able to be as good as everyone else. So long as they "need" Democrats, Liberals can keep in power.

    Its why every time a strong independant thinking woman or minority tries to buck the trend, Liberals and their media puppets do everything they can to destroy them. Because you cannot have a black, or woman, or Hispanic that actually believes in their own personal responsibility, right Galen?


    To simply tell impoverished people to go get a job is as insensitive as telling a depressed person to just get up and be happy.
    Right. Because then they don't need the Government or Democrats to hand them things anymore. And THEN what ever will you guys do??




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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    Which flawed system is that Darb?

    The one that saw her as a black female in school and placed her in standard level classes, at best, with the rest of her low-income minority friends where the expectation was never to move up to AP classes but instead, to simply not distrupt the class?

    That flawed system?
    Wow, you went to a really terrible school system. I'm glad I live down here where we don't judge based on color.

    or this conservative mantra that minority kids are taught to have unlimited kids, not work and quit school early so they get their dignity eroding independence cards and live for free in some rat infested, lead painted, bullet richocheting housing project next to the chemical plant all so that in the end they end up with 15 kids, their father in jail and no where to go but a cheap hotel room?
    So explain to everyone how that isn't what happened here. All those kids see is their mother not working and demanding handouts. She failed them and now they have been taught to expect free money. That is where the welfare system has failed.

    Believe me, I blame the flawed system and it has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with people of privilege, of which I consider myself to be one, desperately holding onto their little piece of the pie so no one else might even get the satisfaction of a sniff of it. It erodes communities from the bottom up while they keep you waiting for the glory to trickle down
    We have a vastly different view of what the word privilege means.

    I worked when I was in high school. I paid for my first car with money I earned. My parents made me work in the chicken houses we owned. When it came time for college, I busted my ass to earn a scholarship. I earned my career. My wife just got promoted to bank officer (not branch officer, but officer of the entire bank) and she earned it. We've had nothing handed to us.

    That woman in the video was given 800$ a month and did absolutely nothing to earn it beside spitting out 15 kids she can't support. Why should she be given free money when I'm not? Seems to me that getting free money is a privilege.

    Problems like what this woman is experiencing will never be solved when your first reaction to her and subsequently your proposed solution for her is one that originates from disgust for her.
    So your idea is to give her more money that someone else worked for? Do you honestly not see the flaw in that plan? I would say there's no way you can be that dense, but I think that yeah, you probably are. You are rewarding her for her failures as a person and as a parent. When her kids grow up, it is likely that they will be on welfare too. It is a system that breeds sloth. I have 60 years of history backing me up on this one so don't try to argue.

    Instead of giving out free money, maybe, just maybe, we should think of a way to reward hard work instead of punishing it. Wow, what a novel concept.
    This is a novel I was asked to proofread. The author is giving 10% of the profits to kidney research, which is a big deal in the Darb household. Fair warning; it's a fantasy novel, and the main characters are lesbians. It's three bucks on kindle from Amazon.http://www.amazon.com/WINDOWS-BROKEN...ken+fairy+tale




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