Is Mark Sanchez an upgraded version of Kyle Boller?

**Kevlar** · 12-04-2011, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

at least he complets more than 50% of his passes... unlike someone

OK I got it, you hate Sanchez. But back it up with some facts if you want to make a case. There are way worse QBs in the league than Mark Sanchez. And if his receivers didn't drop so many passes he'd have much better stats.

He can't, there is a reason Boller was given up on in Raider land of all places after one performance. Sanchez isn't getting replaced by some guy off waivers any time soon.

**ActualSpamBot** · 12-04-2011, 08:27 PM

Your response only makes sense if PSU is claiming that Sanchez is the worst QB in the league. He's not. He's arguing that Sanchez's best year is statistically similar to Joe's worst and therefor the idea that they're comparable is laughable.

And he's right.

Mark is a mediocre QB who's success is entirely predicated on playing well enough not to screw it up for the rest of his team. Joe is expected to win games for us regularly and had done so.

**dandrews** · 12-04-2011, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Kevlar

He can't, there is a reason Boller was given up on in Raider land of all places after one performance. Sanchez isn't getting replaced by some guy off waivers any time soon.

If Sanchez were a 5th round pick, he might not even be starting right now. The jets will take forever to realize he trash because of what they invested in him (much like Boller in baltimore)

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-04-2011, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

Your response only makes sense if PSU is claiming that Sanchez is the worst QB in the league. He's not. He's arguing that Sanchez's best year is statistically similar to Joe's worst and therefor the idea that they're comparable is laughable.

And he's right.

Mark is a mediocre QB who's success is entirely predicated on playing well enough not to screw it up for the rest of his team. Joe is expected to win games for us regularly and had done so.

can you provide some facts or stats? I guess as long as someone says Sanchez sucks it has to be true. He's got a better percentage, more yards per attempt, more TDs, and less fumbles to cite a few

Of all days to be bashing Sanchez, look at Joe's stats. Luckily we have a great running team.

**BmoreBrawla** · 12-04-2011, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

compare their other stats - they are almost identical. not sure why people say Flacco is so awesome and Sanchez sucks; they're not that far apart at all

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...rterbackRating

Statistics wont convince the true believers or fanboy irrational haters. I just realized that Baltimore fan IS Boston Fan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-A0aw70X6E

**dandrews** · 12-04-2011, 08:31 PM

FACT: in every game I've watched mark sanchez, he has looked strikingly similar to Kyle Boller.

FACT: the jets have to win out to sniff the playoffs, which is a product of how their QB has played.

FACT: joe has won us as many games as the jets have wins this year.

FACT: joe is doing it with worse receiving options

FICTION: mark sanchez is good.

**BmoreBrawla** · 12-04-2011, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by psuasskicker

No.

He's not an upgrade.

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Wow lol. People forgot how bad that fool really was. He was the worst QB in the league at the time in my opinion, totally incompetent, not "up and down" at all. Consistently shit. Even when is numbers looked halfway decent they were padded from garbage time yards and points. Anthony Wright outclassed him!

**ActualSpamBot** · 12-04-2011, 08:32 PM

PSU already did, and I repeated it. The only time there numbers are comparable are when Mark is having the best year of his life and Joe is having the worst.

I'm out, PSU can argue with you if he wants but it's pretty obvious that you simply want to stir shit up and make baseless comparisons of a very good QB with a fairly mediocre one.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-04-2011, 08:44 PM

those aren't facts they're opinions. No one can bring a single fact? wow.

I rest my case and I'm not even a Sanchez fan

**PurpleApocalypse37** · 12-04-2011, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

can you provide some facts or stats? I guess as long as someone says Sanchez sucks it has to be true. He's got a better percentage, more yards per attempt, more TDs, and less fumbles to cite a few

Of all days to be bashing Sanchez, look at Joe's stats. Luckily we have a great running team.

Flacco had two dropped touchdown passes today. The deep pass to Evans was a great throw that should have been a touchdown too. All three of these plays happened on different drives.

Boldin dropped two passes that would have been big gains. One of them was on third down.

Evans dropped a slant on third down that could have been a 30+ yard play.

Flacco played fine today. His receivers let him down consistently.

Flacco's receivers drop JUST as many passes as the Jets. Actually they drop more. Flacco had two big-time throws dropped against the Steelers yet he still managed to lead them down for the game winning touchdown.

He was going to put the dagger in their heart in the playoffs last year two but of course, he had three passes dropped in a row.

Flacco has outplayed Brady in every single match-up. Flacco was stellar in his two regular season games against the Patriots. Yes we lost both, but because the refs did everything to bail out the Patriots and because Clayton dropped a first down on what was set to be another great drive by Flacco. Yes, Flacco outplayed Brady in the playoff game too. He only completed 8 passes or something like that, but do you remember how terrible Brady was? Do you remember the interception he threw to Chris Carr because he was being a wimp and didn't want to get hit? He folded under the pressure in that game more than I have ever seen Flacco do. He looked like he didn't even belong in the NFL since he was playing a real NFL defense. Flacco could have done fine if we needed him to. I mean he has roasted the Patriots the other two times we played them.

Flacco has been hurt my dropped passes as much as anybody in the NFL. It is ridiculous for you to try and make it seem like Sanchez is the only quarterback who has receivers drop passes.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-04-2011, 09:00 PM

this thread isn't about Flacco it's about Sanchez. He's a decent QB, that's all I'm saying and no one can bring one stat or fact to dispute that. should probably let the thread drop

**ballhawk** · 12-04-2011, 09:07 PM

boller couldn't even stay healthy. sanchez's durability alone makes him better than boller.

**The Excellector** · 12-04-2011, 09:07 PM

Mark Sanchez is a decent quarterback.
Mark Sanchez is much better than Kyle Boller.
Joe Flacco is better than Mark Sanchez.

**dandrews** · 12-04-2011, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

this thread isn't about Flacco it's about Sanchez. He's a decent QB, that's all I'm saying and no one can bring one stat or fact to dispute that. should probably let the thread drop

you made it about flacco when every one of your posts in this thread mentioned him.

I assume you think Cleveland is the best pass defense in the league? That's what the stats say, of course. Same with Victor Cruz being better than Larry Fitzgerald. Gotta go with the stats.

**ActualSpamBot** · 12-04-2011, 09:11 PM

Here's a doozy of a fact. Football outsiders have a section on a player's page that compares them to other players to give you some context to the numbers.

The player Mark Sanchez's career most closely resembles to this point? Tony Freaking Banks.

Joe Flacco is in there too by the way. The player his statistics most closely resemble? 2001-2003 era Tom Brady.

**PurpleApocalypse37** · 12-04-2011, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

those aren't facts they're opinions. No one can bring a single fact? wow.

I rest my case and I'm not even a Sanchez fan

Okay, you want some facts?

How about some touchdown/interception ratios? (not including the games today)

Flacco has 73 touchdowns and 42 interceptions.

Sanchez has 47 touchdowns and 44 interceptions.

Sorry man. That ends it right there. 47-44 is not even in the same HEMISPHERE as 73-42.

Sanchez has played 43 games and had 8 games of 100+ qb rating.

43 games into Flacco's career he had 17 games of 100+ qb rating.

73-42
47-44

There is absolutely no comparison.

**psuasskicker** · 12-04-2011, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

those aren't facts they're opinions. No one can bring a single fact? wow.

I rest my case and I'm not even a Sanchez fan

I like you. You basically see a bunch of statistics, choose whichever one makes your case look good, then stick your fingers in your ears and scream LALALALA whenever anyone counters it with a glut of evidence.

In my opinion, Sanchez has a more than 50% higher INT rate, fumbles as often as Flacco with fewer pass attempts and completes nearly 6% fewer passes. He also wins games at an 8% lower rate, throws for half a yard less per attempt, has never had a top 25 DVOA year while Flacco's been top 20 his previous two, and he has only one metric (sack rate) of profootballreference's advanced passing metrics better than avg vs. Flacco's five.

That's all just my opinion though. I can't really back up my assertion that Flacco's a better QB with any real facts. Sorry.

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**PurpleApocalypse37** · 12-04-2011, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

this thread isn't about Flacco it's about Sanchez. He's a decent QB, that's all I'm saying and no one can bring one stat or fact to dispute that. should probably let the thread drop

Okay, you want some facts?

How about some touchdown/interception ratios? (not including the games today)

Flacco has 73 touchdowns and 42 interceptions.

Sanchez has 47 touchdowns and 44 interceptions.

Please I want to hear your explanation of what Sanchez brings to the table, besides that adorable smile, that makes up for such a huge disparity in touchdown/interception ratios. I'm dying to hear it.

**psuasskicker** · 12-04-2011, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

this thread isn't about Flacco it's about Sanchez. He's a decent QB, that's all I'm saying and no one can bring one stat or fact to dispute that. should probably let the thread drop

Every single basic and advanced passing metric shows Sanchez as a below-average NFL starting quarterback, many in the bottom 2/3.

It's not on us to prove our case. Our case is proven. "He's been to the conference championship twice" isn't a fact or stat that proves he's a decent QB. Doug Williams and Trent Dilfer can show you their Superbowl rings. Your turn. You think he's decent, feel free to prove it.

Or, just keep your head in the sand. Or be a troll. Not sure which right now, but clearly it's one or the other, and your response will give us that answer.

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**Ravenswintitle** · 12-04-2011, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37

Okay, you want some facts?

How about some touchdown/interception ratios? (not including the games today)

Flacco has 73 touchdowns and 42 interceptions.

Sanchez has 47 touchdowns and 44 interceptions.

Sorry man. That ends it right there. 47-44 is not even in the same HEMISPHERE as 73-42.

Sanchez has played 43 games and had 8 games of 100+ qb rating.

43 games into Flacco's career he had 17 games of 100+ qb rating.

73-42
47-44

There is absolutely no comparison.

assuming this is true that's some good shit - thank you! Again, I am not a Sanchez fan but this whole thread is full of posters saying he sucks and Flacco is awesome when THIS YEAR they're pretty damn similar; I guess career wise (based on your post above) is a different story, although the Jets went to two AFCC.

Please let it die. they're both pretty good QBs. Thank god we dont have Colt Mccoy