Is Mark Sanchez an upgraded version of Kyle Boller?

**bengtc** · 12-05-2011, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Phantoom

I was getting ready to blast you for simplifying the numbers, but the almost all the career numbers are similar:

Sanchez
GP: 43
Completion %: 55.1
Yrds/Att: 6.59
TD: 48
INT: 44
Fumbles: 16
Rating: 73.6

Boller
GP: 67
Completion %: 56.7
Yrds/Att: 5.88
TD: 48
INT: 54
Fumbles: 25
Rating: 69.5

Biggest difference is playoff wins. Sanchez has a ton, all on the road. Boller has...well, he had a hot girlfriend once, right?

And everyone on this board brings that fact up as the most important thing judging a qb when comparing Flacco to any other QB in the league

**wickedsolo** · 12-05-2011, 08:59 AM

I don't think you can really compare Sanchez to Boller at all.

Maybe statistically he's on that level, but from a mentality stance he's by far better at handling pressure and leading a team to a win. Just look at the game yesterday in Washington. Sanchez led the team from behind and threw a late 4th quarter TD to Holmes for the win. Completely took the wind out of the Skins' sails. It was a good play and he hung in there for most of the day after getting thrashed by Orakpo and Kerrigan.

I think a lot of people also forget that Sanchez only started 1 year at USC and even then the Pac-10 wasn't what I would call a "strong" conference. It's not like he faced Alabama or LSU's defense.

That said, I don't think Sanchez can carry the Jets to a championship right now. Maybe at some point, but I don't see it. It's no mystery that the Jets are averaging less rushing yards per game this year than last and their defense is giving up a lot more yards on the ground than they did last year. It's putting Sanchez under the microscope and he's not responding as well as some thought he would.

I don't compare him at all to Kyle Boller.

I think he compares a lot more to someone like Tony Romo or Tommy Maddox. Good QB's that can get you there, but not without help.

**RavensRock** · 12-05-2011, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I don't think you can really compare Sanchez to Boller at all.

Maybe statistically he's on that level, but from a mentality stance he's by far better at handling pressure and leading a team to a win. Just look at the game yesterday in Washington. Sanchez led the team from behind and threw a late 4th quarter TD to Holmes for the win. Completely took the wind out of the Skins' sails. It was a good play and he hung in there for most of the day after getting thrashed by Orakpo and Kerrigan.

I think a lot of people also forget that Sanchez only started 1 year at USC and even then the Pac-10 wasn't what I would call a "strong" conference. It's not like he faced Alabama or LSU's defense.

That said, I don't think Sanchez can carry the Jets to a championship right now. Maybe at some point, but I don't see it. It's no mystery that the Jets are averaging less rushing yards per game this year than last and their defense is giving up a lot more yards on the ground than they did last year. It's putting Sanchez under the microscope and he's not responding as well as some thought he would.

I don't compare him at all to Kyle Boller.

I think he compares a lot more to someone like Tony Romo or Tommy Maddox. Good QB's that can get you there, but not without help.

I like to debate with you wickedsolo. But I think you're spot on here so not much I can disagree with.

**psuasskicker** · 12-05-2011, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Phantoom

I was getting ready to blast you for simplifying the numbers, but the almost all the career numbers are similar:

Sanchez
GP: 43
Completion %: 55.1
Yrds/Att: 6.59
TD: 48
INT: 44
Fumbles: 16
Rating: 73.6

Boller
GP: 67
Completion %: 56.7
Yrds/Att: 5.88
TD: 48
INT: 54
Fumbles: 25
Rating: 69.5

Biggest difference is playoff wins. Sanchez has a ton, all on the road. Boller has...well, he had a hot girlfriend once, right?

And thus we go back to my original statement about Sanchez not being an upgrade.

Okay, that's obvious hyperbole, since Sanchez is basically able to pull the occasional great game out of his ass, and Boller basically never did that against good teams. So yes, of course Sanchez is better than Boller. But it's not by a lot, and not even close to by as much as the media portrays it with their man-crush on him. They seem just now to be realizing the guy actually isn't a very good QB. Really? You're just now figuring out that maybe he's had a couple statistical anomaly games which have made him look a lot better than he actually is? Nice work, media. Go fawn over Tebow some more and pretend the rest of the Broncos have nothing to do with their winning streak.

The reality is that Sanchez is a bad QB that occasionally has good games. Tony Banks isn't a great comparison either, though I know why they said it...cause their regular season performances are pretty similar. Sanchez is unlike most other QBs we've ever seen. He plays very poorly in the regular season, and plays much, much better in the post-season. If you've gotta do it, a team would much rather have that than vice versa. But two great and one good playoff game performances doesn't make the guy a good QB. It doesn't even make him a mediocre one.

- C -

**dscola31** · 01-01-2012, 03:16 PM

Thread Bumped

**lovefootball** · 01-01-2012, 06:31 PM

Sanchez, him and rex aint getting it done this year.

**akashicrecorder** · 01-01-2012, 06:41 PM

Sanchez doesn't come close to passing the eyeball test. He looks like hot, steaming garbage. That's just truth.

**Ravenboy2003** · 01-01-2012, 06:48 PM

Who cares.. Rexy and his chumps didn't even make the playoffs.

**wickedsolo** · 01-01-2012, 06:49 PM

Shottenheimer and Santonio Holmes will be the fall guys for this season.

**s.r.genovese** · 01-01-2012, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Shottenheimer and Santonio Holmes will be the fall guys for this season.

If they have another season like this next year then Rex and Sanchez will be the fall guys in 2012.

**BleedPurple92** · 01-01-2012, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

his receivers drop a ton of passes, they've had injuries in the running game and by the way he still has a higher rating than Flacco.

Ouch why'd you have to go there?

You must have forgotten what board you were.. in.

All Jokes aside, you're right, and i hate to admit it.. that's what i hate about the Flacco nuts, the same argument you could use to say that Flacco is a good QB is the same you could use for Sanchez

"Led" his team to two straight AFC Championship games...
Has better numbers this season....

Even though Flacco is a MUCH MUCH better player. I hate that you could even start to compare them. Pisses me off. And the anger is more towards the offense, cam and Flacco that they let it even be a legitimate argument.

**BleedPurple92** · 01-01-2012, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by akashicrecorder

Sanchez doesn't come close to passing the eyeball test. He looks like hot, steaming garbage. That's just truth.

Sadly people will look at the numbers and the "leading" his team to two straight AFC championship games.. Same argument people use for Flacco.. "leading" his team to 4 straight playoff apperances. People look at that, and make the argument that he's as good as Flacco..

That's why i hate the "Well, he lead his team to 4 straight playoff appearances, so he's obviously awesome" Yeah Sanchez has 2 straight AFC Championship under his belt.

Fact is Sanchez is really really bad. Flacco is much much much better, but the leading the team to the playoff argument is the worst argument for any QB.

**psuasskicker** · 01-01-2012, 08:47 PM

The differences between he and Flacco:

- Flacco has shown the ability to come back when in a hole (cough, Steelers, cough), and is capable of performing very well over a long period of time.
- Sanchez's career high QB rating is 79, this year. Flacco's career low QB rating is 80, this year.

Cherry pick their stats this year all you want, it's not even close. Seriously. Not. Even. Close.

- C -

**Maverick Hiker** · 01-01-2012, 08:51 PM

Sanchez completes a lot of short passes in the flat to give him a better passing rating than Flacco but he is nowhere near as good.

The Jets were extremely lucky to get to the AFC Championship game two years in a row, I don't see them returning there unless they get a new QB.

**elland** · 01-01-2012, 09:04 PM

He and Boller in Baltimore has very similar TD-INT ratio.. So it is probably closer than you think.

**52decleetzu** · 01-01-2012, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by psuasskicker

And thus we go back to my original statement about Sanchez not being an upgrade.

Okay, that's obvious hyperbole, since Sanchez is basically able to pull the occasional great game out of his ass, and Boller basically never did that against good teams. So yes, of course Sanchez is better than Boller. But it's not by a lot, and not even close to by as much as the media portrays it with their man-crush on him. They seem just now to be realizing the guy actually isn't a very good QB. Really? You're just now figuring out that maybe he's had a couple statistical anomaly games which have made him look a lot better than he actually is? Nice work, media. Go fawn over Tebow some more and pretend the rest of the Broncos have nothing to do with their winning streak.

The reality is that Sanchez is a bad QB that occasionally has good games. Tony Banks isn't a great comparison either, though I know why they said it...cause their regular season performances are pretty similar. Sanchez is unlike most other QBs we've ever seen. He plays very poorly in the regular season, and plays much, much better in the post-season. If you've gotta do it, a team would much rather have that than vice versa. But two great and one good playoff game performances doesn't make the guy a good QB. It doesn't even make him a mediocre one.

- C -

Spot on PSU!!!

Sanchez had a majority of support amongst the fans, after the last few weeks that has completely flipped. He is still way better than Boller ever was, but that aint saying much.

**Justlovemybirds** · 01-01-2012, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by psuasskicker

The differences between he and Flacco:

- Flacco has shown the ability to come back when in a hole (cough, Steelers, cough), and is capable of performing very well over a long period of time.
- Sanchez's career high QB rating is 79, this year. Flacco's career low QB rating is 80, this year.

Cherry pick their stats this year all you want, it's not even close. Seriously. Not. Even. Close.

- C -

Originally Posted by Maverick Hiker

Sanchez completes a lot of short passes in the flat to give him a better passing rating than Flacco but he is nowhere near as good.

The Jets were extremely lucky to get to the AFC Championship game two years in a row, I don't see them returning there unless they get a new QB.

I used to simply see the Sanchez's stats in a box score and thought "Wow he is efficient!" but then I watched the game he completes lots of high percentage passes and loves his TE. Santonio Holmes is a good enough receiver that Dustin Keller shouldn't be your leader in catches and yds.

**alienrace** · 01-02-2012, 01:25 AM

From Day One, I said Mark Sanchez was overmatched in this league, and I stand by it. I don't care if his numbers were respectable this year, heck he did have 26 TD's, which is nothing to sneeze at, but he also had 18 int's. Last year he had something like 19 int's DROPPED, not sure how many he got away with this year.

Look, only a moron FF stats monkey would bother comparing Sanchez to Flacco or any other legitimate starting QB in the NFL. Numbers don't mean shit. This is what I can't stand about idiot reporters who analyze teams by looking at stats without considering their opponents, etc.

Sanchez does have some playoff wins, reaching two AFCC games. That's a tremendous achievement that shouldn't go unnoticed when discussing him. However, if you watched the games, you'll recall that he was asked to do very little in a very conservative game plan. He wasn't the difference between winning and losing, and I don't recall him making any type of big pressure passes with the game on the line.

Watching Sanchez the last couple of weeks, he looks like a QB that when asked to do more than dump it off, really struggles. Sure, he's made some big throws in the fourth quarter at times this year, but there are way too many moments like you saw lately where he just freaks out and does something incredibly stupid. Sounds a lot like Boller to me...minus the ability to throw the ball downfield.

**The Excellector** · 01-02-2012, 08:05 AM

First off, I would like to wish Baltimore a good morning.

By virtue of not tripping over his own feet, Mark Sanchez is certainly better than Kyle Boller. Kyle Boller has had teams with the type of talent that New York has put forth and has not performed at Sanchez's level.

Yes, Mark Sanchez has struggled, but he is not their only problem. They have not been able to run the ball as well, there have been some dropped passes and their team captain acts like a child when things don't go his way. However, the way that Sanchez has performed, down the stretch, with the playoffs on the line, should make people wonder.

Joe Flacco is better than Mark Sanchez.

1.) Do you see Mark Sanchez putting together a 92 yard, game winning TD drive, at Heinz Field, against the Steelers defense?

2.) You can say what you want about whether or not Joe 'led' the Ravens to the AFC Championship game, he led them on the game winning drive in the fourth quarter of the divisional round playoff game in Nashville, against the #1 seed Titans and their top 5 defense.

3.) Take a look at the way that Joe Flacco has played in the fourth quarter, against the best teams in the league (Pittsburgh, San Fransisco, Houston).

4.) Mark Sanchez was not dealing with new and inexperienced skilled position players. He should have a higher QB rating. Flacco was dealing with some significant changes, replacing a ten year veteran with a rookie and replacing another long tenured veteran with two second year players.