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  1. #61

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster



    It's a fair point, I accept that Corey

    After that game many of us felt that Taylor locked down Lee Evans and that Lee was drawing away coverage for the others. And so Lee Evans got some credit after the win
    All these weeks and months later it doesn't seem as impressive

    I suppose I'm just remembering back to what I thought last September




  2. #62

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Raven View Post
    Cortez Allen
    I don't know anything realy about him, wikipedia has him 6 ft 1 in, 197 lb and fourth round pick from The Citadel, The Military College of South Carolina

    Ike Taylor stands out on that list, seven million a year
    He was excellent against us Week One and he's normally a decent CB but got embarressed last night. For that salary, that'll get you cut



    I think Starks comes back, they cut him in July but brought him back in October as Jonathan Scott was becoming a liability
    He's an adequate tackle, not old at 29 going on thirty. They brought him back for a reason and if his demands are not high, he's a low risk value player
    I would have said that too about Starks before he tore his ACL last night. He is a big guy and that could be an issue. Only reason why he is where he is on that list.

    If Allen was picked last year he will be back, I will move him.




  3. #63

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    I didn't know about the ACL
    I knew Keisel and Hampton were injured last night but I must have missed Starks
    Hmmm, that changes things

    Anyway, fair play for all your work on this thread, I find all this salary cap talk fascinating




  4. #64

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    On the fence....

    Larry Foote at Linebacker 3 yr/$9,300,000 2012 2013
    Bryant McFadden at Cornerback 3 yr/$7,500,000 2012 2013
    Will Allen at Cornerback 3 yr/$4,400,000 2012 2013
    Arnez Battle at Wide Receiver 3 yr/$3,900,000 2012 2013
    Mike Wallace at Wide Receiver 3 yr/$1,700,000 2011 2012
    Trai Essex at Tackle 1 yr/$810,000 2011 2012
    Max Starks at Tackle 1 yr/$810,000 2011 2012
    William Gay at Cornerback 1 yr/$685,000 2011 2012

    Not enough info to make a call on.....

    Curtis Brown at Cornerback 4 yr/$2,560,000 2014 2015
    Cortez Allen at Cornerback 4 yr/$2,432,000 2014 2015
    Chris Carter at Linebacker 4 yr/$2,204,000 2014 2015
    Baron Batch at Running Back 4 yr/$2,086,512 2014 2015
    Byron Leftwich at Quarterback 1 yr/$1,750,000 2011 2012
    Weslye Saunders at Tight End 3 yr/$1,474,000 2013 2014
    Stevenson Sylvester at Linebacker 3 yr/$1,332,000 2012 2013
    David Johnson at Tight End 3 yr/$1,218,200 2011 2012
    Dennis Dixon at Quarterback 1 yr/$1,200,000 2011 2012
    Dorian Brooks at Guard 2 yr/$725,000 2011 2012
    Not sure on Foote. I think only one of him or Farrior will be back - I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Farrior come back. He'd certainly have to re-do that deal, but I think he'd be willing to do that rather than try to go to another team to finish his career. That is assuming he's not ready to retire yet - he told one of the local papers last month that he wasn't. The problem with getting rid of both Farrior and Foote is that there's very little depth behind them at ILB. I think the Steelers address that in the draft, possibly very early on in the draft, and keep one of these guys as a placeholder for a year.

    McFadden is almost certainly gone. He's been a disappointment ever since the Steelers traded to get him back on the team, and during this season he quietly slid down to #5 on the depth chart. He's not going to start, and there's a plethora of young corners on the team who would be better served getting his playing time. I don't see him coming back. On a related note, all those green corners will make it tough to part ways with Gay, especially if you're right about them getting rid of Taylor as well. He's not that expensive, I think they hold onto him.

    Cortez Allen has become a fan favorite, and has shown a lot of promise in the playing time he's had. He'll definitely hang around. Brown has been a big asset on special teams, although I haven't seen much of him on defense. Think he sticks though.

    Baron Batch tore his ACL in preseason. No one saw enough to make any judgements. I'm not sure what to make of him going into next year. I think there'll be one spot up for grabs behind Mendenhall/Redman/Moore, and it'll be a fight between Batch, and whatever draft picks, udfa's, and camp bodies are brought in. EDIT: I forgot about Dwyer. Yeah, think Batch will be gone then...perhaps a practice squad spot.

    Chris Carter only had significant playing time in one game this year (against NE, after Woodley went out) - and he looked very good. No sacks, but he generated a lot of pressure. He and Worilds will be kept as the primary depth behind Woodley and Harrison.

    Sylvester is a decent special teams guy, and the only real depth at ILB, so I think they have to hang on to him, especially if Farrior and/or Foote are gone.

    Dorian Brooks actually quit during training camp. He's spent the year on the reserve/left squad list (which I didn't even know existed, but according to NBCSports, it does). So there's $725k in savings lol.

    Backup quarterback position will be interesting. They'd love to have Leftwich stay on as a long-term backup, but he seems to always be on IR by the end of preseason. He's a waste of cap room if he can't stay healthy. Batch is old reliable, but good lord he has to be near the end of the line, and if he did have to play for a significant stretch, I'm not sure his body would hold up. Dixon has all the potential, but from what I read has struggled to learn the offense, and that's why Tomlin doesn't trust him as anything more than a #3 option. They can't keep dicking around with four quarterbacks every season - a quick way to save some cash is to whittle that list down to 3 or even 2 guys. I think Batch might be cut - he's the least likely of the three to be picked up by someone else, so the Steelers can keep him on speed dial if he's needed during the season.

    Give me a little time and I'll use your list to make what I think the roster could look like going into next year. At least my best guess at this time.

    EDIT: Thanks for gathering up all the contract info as well. It's nice to have all of that in one spot to look at.
    Last edited by SteelFaninBMore; 01-09-2012 at 10:29 PM.




  5. #65

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    UPDATED. TY SteelfaninBmore!

    Just off the top of my head here is the prognostication for the Steelers roster and their fate.

    No chance in hell they are getting cut.....

    Ben Roethilsberger at Quarterback 8 yr/$102,000,000 2015 2016
    LaMarr Woodley at Linebacker 6 yr/$61,500,000 2016 2017
    James Harrison at Linebacker 6 yr/$51,750,000 2014 2015
    Lawrence Timmons at Linebacker 6 yr/$50,000,000 2016 2017
    Troy Polamalu at Safety 4 yr/$36,500,000 2014 2015
    Heath Miller at Tight End 6 yr/$35,300,000 2014 2015
    Willie Colon at Tackle 5 yr/$29,000,000 2015 2016
    Maurkice Pouncey at Center 5 yr/$17,960,000 2014 2015
    Rashard Mendenhall at Running Back 5 yr/$9,855,000 2012 2013
    Evander Hood at Defensive End 5 yr/$8,700,000 2013 2014
    Cameron Heyward at Defensive End 4 yr/$6,700,000 2014 2015
    Jason Worilds at Linebacker 4 yr/$3,700,000 2013 2014
    Marcus Gilbert at Tackle 4 yr/$3,227,000 2014 2015
    Emmanuel Sanders at Wide Receiver 3 yr/$1,801,000 2012 2013
    Ramon Foster at Guard 3 yr/$1,193,000 2011 2012
    Issac Redman at Running Back 3 yr/$1,035,000 2011 2012
    Antonio Brown at Wide Receiver 3 yr/$1,288,000 2012 2013



    More than likely back(due to age/cost)...


    Jonathan Dwyer at Running Back 3 yr/$1,293,000 2012 2013
    Jonathan Scott at Tackle 1 yr/$1,300,000 2011 2012
    Jerricho Cotchery at Wide Receiver 1 yr/$810,000 2011 2012
    Keenan Lewis at Cornerback 1 yr/$685,000 2011 2012
    Jamon Meredith at Tackle 1 yr/$525,000 2011 2012
    Ryan Mundy at Safety 1 yr/$525,000 2011 2012
    Doug Legursky at Center/Guard 1 yr/$525,000 2011 2012
    Steve McLendon at Defensive Tackle 1 yr/$405,000 2011 2012
    Mewelde Moore at Running Back 1 yr/$575,000 2011 2012
    Greg Warren at Long Snapper 2 yr/$1,620,000 2012 2013
    Cortez Allen at Cornerback 4 yr/$2,432,000 2014 2015
    Larry Foote at Linebacker 3 yr/$9,300,000 2012 2013
    William Gay at Cornerback 1 yr/$685,000 2011 2012
    Chris Carter at Linebacker 4 yr/$2,204,000 2014 2015
    Stevenson Sylvester at Linebacker 3 yr/$1,332,000 2012 2013
    Byron Leftwich at Quarterback 1 yr/$1,750,000 2011 2012
    Dennis Dixon at Quarterback 1 yr/$1,200,000 2011 2012

    On the fence....

    Will Allen at Cornerback 3 yr/$4,400,000 2012 2013
    Arnez Battle at Wide Receiver 3 yr/$3,900,000 2012 2013
    Mike Wallace at Wide Receiver 3 yr/$1,700,000 2011 2012
    Trai Essex at Tackle 1 yr/$810,000 2011 2012
    Max Starks at Tackle 1 yr/$810,000 2011 2012
    Charlie Batch at Quarterback 2 yr/$1,720,000 2011 2012



    Probably going to get cut/not be back....


    Ike Taylor at Cornerback 4 yr/$28,000,000 2014 2015
    Hines Ward at Wide Receiver 5 yr/$24,850,000 2013 2014
    Aaron Smith at Defensive End 5 yr/$24,500,000 2011 2012
    Casey Hampton at Tackle 3 yr/$21,300,000 2012 2013
    Chris Kemoeatu at Guard 5 yr/$20,000,000 2013 2014
    Brett Keisel at Defensive End 5 yr/$18,885,000 2013 2014
    James Farrior at Linebacker 5 yr/$18,250,000 2012 2013
    Ryan Clark at Safety 4 yr/$17,000,000 2013 2014
    Shaun Suisham at Kicker 4 yr/$6,300,000 2014 2015
    Chris Hoke at Tackle 1 yr/$810,000 2011 2012
    Daniel Sepulveda at Punter 1 yr/$650,000 2011 2012
    Bryant McFadden at Cornerback 3 yr/$7,500,000 2012 2013
    Baron Batch at Running Back 4 yr/$2,086,512 2014 2015
    Dorian Brooks at Guard 2 yr/$725,000 2011 2012

    Not enough info to make a call on.....

    Curtis Brown at Cornerback 4 yr/$2,560,000 2014 2015
    Weslye Saunders at Tight End 3 yr/$1,474,000 2013 2014
    David Johnson at Tight End 3 yr/$1,218,200 2011 2012




  6. #66

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quarterback: (2)
    Ben Roethilsberger 8 yr/$102,000,000 2015 2016
    Dennis Dixon 1 yr/$1,200,000 2011 2012

    Running Back: (5)
    Rashard Mendenhall 5 yr/$9,855,000 2012 2013
    Issac Redman 3 yr/$1,035,000 2011 2012
    Mewelde Moore 1 yr/$575,000 2011 2012
    Jonathan Dwyer 3 yr/$1,293,000 2012 2013
    David Johnson at Tight End (He plays FB more than TE) 3 yr/$1,218,200 2011 2012

    Offensive Line: (8) ***
    Maurkice Pouncey 5 yr/$17,960,000 2014 2015
    Marcus Gilbert 4 yr/$3,227,000 2014 2015
    Jonathan Scott 1 yr/$1,300,000 2011 2012
    Ramon Foster 3 yr/$1,193,000 2011 2012
    Doug Legursky 1 yr/$525,000 2011 2012
    Trai Essex 1 yr/$810,000 2011 2012
    Jamon Meredith 1 yr/$525,000 2011 2012
    Greg Warren (Long Snapper) 2 yr/$1,620,000 2012 2013

    Tight End: (2)
    Heath Miller 6 yr/$35,300,000 2014 2015
    Weslye Saunders 3 yr/$1,474,000 2013 2014

    Wide Receiver: (5)
    Mike Wallace 3 yr/$1,700,000 2011 2012
    Antonio Brown 3 yr/$1,288,000 2012 2013
    Emmanuel Sanders 3 yr/$1,801,000 2012 2013
    Jerricho Cotchery 1 yr/$810,000 2011 2012
    Arnez Battle (Mostly special teams) 3 yr/$3,900,000 2012 2013

    Defensive End: (2)
    Evander Hood 5 yr/$8,700,000 2013 2014
    Cameron Heyward 4 yr/$6,700,000 2014 2015

    Defensive Tackle: (1)
    Steve McLendon 1 yr/$405,000 2011 2012

    Outside Linebacker: (4)
    LaMarr Woodley 6 yr/$61,500,000 2016 2017
    James Harrison 6 yr/$51,750,000 2014 2015
    Jason Worilds 4 yr/$3,700,000 2013 2014
    Chris Carter 4 yr/$2,204,000 2014 2015

    Inside Linebacker: (3)
    Lawrence Timmons 6 yr/$50,000,000 2016 2017
    James Farrior 5 yr/$18,250,000 2012 2013 OR Larry Foote 3 yr/$9,300,000 2012 2013 **
    Stevenson Sylvester 3 yr/$1,332,000 2012 2013

    Corner: (4)
    Keenan Lewis 1 yr/$685,000 2011 2012
    William Gay 1 yr/$685,000 2011 2012
    Curtis Brown 4 yr/$2,560,000 2014 2015
    Cortez Allen 4 yr/$2,432,000 2014 2015

    Safety: (3)
    Troy Polamalu 4 yr/$36,500,000 2014 2015
    Ryan Clark 4 yr/$17,000,000 2013 2014 **
    Ryan Mundy 1 yr/$525,000 2011 2012

    Kicker and Punter: (2)
    To be determined (Definitely not Sepulveda, and most likely not Suisham)



    Notes:

    ** These are two guys that I can see taking hefty pay cuts and/or restructuring to finish their careers here. Both have talked at length about how much they love playing for LeBeau, and Tomlin, and wanting to retire as Steelers. If I had to choose one, Clark is the guy the team would most like to keep - they obviously struggled without him, he's the brains of the secondary, there's no depth, and Mundy is not the guy to take that spot.

    Farrior is probably the one who wants to stay the most - he has a year left at best, and I could see him going down to nearly a vet minimum (with some restructed bonus cash). He knows he's not getting a payday anywhere else at this point, and if he's not ready to retire as he claims, his best bet will be to take as little as necessary to stay on the roster. But the team may not want him back, as he's definitely losing a step, the depth isn't as shallow there, and they can hold onto Foote instead.

    There's no way Hampton or Taylor would give up any cash, and they'll be gone. Keisel would probably want to stay and be willing to negotiate, but with Hood and Heyward ready to take over, the team likely won't see any need to try to make it work.

    *** Willie Colon 5 yr/$29,000,000 2015 2016 - I wouldn't be surprised to see him go away. He's spent the last two seasons on IR, his health is an issue (he should have never gotten that deal in the first place). Gilbert shows promise at RT, and not so much at LT. So I think the team would prefer to keep the younger cheaper healthier option. Yeah, it'll be some dead cap space, but it's not the first time they've done it under Tomlin. In 2007 Sean Mahan was given a 5 year deal, and traded to Tampa in 2008. In 2007 Kendall Simmons was given a 4 year deal and cut in 2009. Justin Hartwig was given a four year extension in 2009, and cut in 2010. Starks was given a 4 year deal in 2009 and cut in 2011 (before being re-signed later on). I really believe they'd be willing to move on from Colon at this point.


    That's 41 spots by my count (not sure what that looks like in terms of salary), and the most glaring need will be on the defensive line, particularly the nose tackle spot. Second area of need ILB. And as always the offensive line - LT and G more than anything.




  7. #67

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    I was ballparking about 12-14 spots would be open earlier so I was pretty close I guess.

    You can fill 7 with the draft and I don't know where the other ones will come from, but they will have to be cheap.

    It is looking like the last 20 on the roster are going to be very young and inexperienced or filler type veteran players.

    One day when I am bored I will crunch the numbers with the salaries and see where it is at for those 40 or so.




  8. #68

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Everything is fine guys!! Just gonna have to cut some "dead wood" LOL.

    http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68&f=1897&t=8553160




  9. #69

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Just wasted 20 minutes of my life reading that thread. Good work, 52, but I don't know why you bother. Everything is fine in Pitt. in regards to the cap, and in Bal. we're in deep shit- depsite the fact that we have signifigantly more free money next year and into the future.

    P.S. And that Ian guy is a real ass. What is he, British? That would explain a lot.




  10. #70

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by 52decleetzu View Post
    Everything is fine guys!! Just gonna have to cut some "dead wood" LOL.

    http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68&f=1897&t=8553160
    Lol, so the guy who determined that the Steelers are in total cap hell is now in absolute denial about it...




  11. #71

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by pickles View Post
    Just wasted 20 minutes of my life reading that thread. Good work, 52, but I don't know why you bother. Everything is fine in Pitt. in regards to the cap, and in Bal. we're in deep shit- depsite the fact that we have signifigantly more free money next year and into the future.

    P.S. And that Ian guy is a real ass. What is he, British? That would explain a lot.
    I agree, that was a waste of time. That dude Ian took every opportunity to refute what 52 was saying and instead used it to insult him (pretty poorly). 52 got chippy back, but not on the same level (which would have gotten him banned).




  12. #72

    Re: Stealers cap situation for 2012 a complete disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by 52decleetzu View Post
    Everything is fine guys!! Just gonna have to cut some "dead wood" LOL.

    http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68&f=1897&t=8553160
    I also love the trashing of the Ravens draft picks. Doss is a nothing fifth rounder, even though the same could be said about Wallace (or Brown) after his first year. McPhee and Kindle suck, but Ziggy Hood and Jason Worilds are totally ready to become starters LOL. These people have group cognitive dissonance. I guess I am proud not be a part of any "Nation."




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