Leach, Suggs & Ngata are 1st team All-Pros

**DkBlue** · 01-06-2012, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by 52decleetzu

Looks like Polamalu who hasn't done jack shit this year got another award he didn't deserve. Add it to the list.

This is why all these awards are a joke. The media is just as much in the bag for the Steelers as the fans are.

The fix is in with all 50 voters, no question. No idea why this guy Polamalu gets any attention at all.....

**BleedPurple92** · 01-06-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by 52decleetzu

Looks like Polamalu who hasn't done jack shit this year got another award he didn't deserve. Add it to the list.

This is why all these awards are a joke. The media is just as much in the bag for the Steelers as the fans are.

Lmao... You're funny.

**Irish Raven** · 01-06-2012, 03:51 PM

I recognize Joe Thomas is an excellent player

I haven't seen much Browns this year and my memory was him getting beat by Suggs and then Kruger embarressed him with a sick spin move
For me Eric Winston from Houston is the best RT in the AFC and one of the best in the league. Not even a look in

Seems once you have the "name" and get in you're in for years and years

**52decleetzu** · 01-06-2012, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by BleedPurple92

Lmao... You're funny.

Sorry if I take awards that get players into the Hall of Fame so seriously.

I would just like to see who deserve it get it for a change? Guess that is too much to ask.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-06-2012, 03:54 PM

Houston has the best Oline in the league IMO; at least in the AFC. Not sure why they don't get more accolades.

Congrats to the Ravens who made it.

**52decleetzu** · 01-06-2012, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by DkBlue

The fix is in with all 50 voters, no question. No idea why this guy Polamalu gets any attention at all.....

Tell me what Troy Polamalu has done in 2011 to be named one of the 2 best safeties in the NFL, other than being on a lot of commercials and getting fellated by the national media week after week.

He didn't have a TURNOVER (FF OR Int) until WEEK 14. he was the ONLY DB in the entire league to not have one by week 12.

While you are at it make your case for Pouncey this year, or last year. or any year.

You really don't want to get into this argument with me, because I will smash you with the facts like I have done many times before homer.

**Lee Van Cleef** · 01-06-2012, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by 52decleetzu

Tell me what Troy Polamalu has done in 2011 to be named one of the 2 best safeties in the NFL, other than being on a lot of commercials and getting fellated by the national media week after week.

He didn't have a TURNOVER (FF OR Int) until WEEK 14. he was the ONLY DB in the entire league to not have one by week 12.

While you are at it make your case for Pouncey this year, or last year. or any year.

You really don't want to get into this argument with me, because I will smash you with the facts like I have done many times before homer.

You cited PFF against Pouncey, so I'll cite them for Polamalu:

The most worrying thing for all teams in the AFC? How well Polamalu is playing right now. As well as ever, and with the kind of intensity that makes you think he’s got one or two game changing plays in him.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-all-pro-team/

Don't get how Yanda didn't get in the first team, personally.

**52decleetzu** · 01-06-2012, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef

You cited PFF against Pouncey, so I'll cite them for Polamalu:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-all-pro-team/

Don't get how Yanda didn't get in the first team, personally.

So what are they claiming on Polamalu this year? That is pretty vague. He is playing well?

He might have a "play or two in him" but they haven't shown up on the field yet, that is for sure.

Either way if they say he is playing well I will go with it, the one I am really pissed about was Pouncey. And I guarantee you won't find any objective site saying he should be anywhere near the All pro team.

**Lee Van Cleef** · 01-06-2012, 04:19 PM

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...r-of-the-year/

There's more there.

I agree on Pouncey. It's a bit ridiculous that he was basically declared a pro-bowler before he even played a down and his level of play just isn't deserving of it. He's not even the best Center in the division, let alone the conference, let alone the whole NFL!

**Cravens86** · 01-06-2012, 04:25 PM

I agree Polamalu has done crap all year

**The Excellector** · 01-06-2012, 04:50 PM

Here we go again, looking at individual statistics and determining that one player is this and that.

What SS has played better than Troy? We've all seen what that defense is like without him. They go to pieces.

**DkBlue** · 01-06-2012, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by 52decleetzu

Tell me what Troy Polamalu has done in 2011 to be named one of the 2 best safeties in the NFL, other than being on a lot of commercials and getting fellated by the national media week after week.

He didn't have a TURNOVER (FF OR Int) until WEEK 14. he was the ONLY DB in the entire league to not have one by week 12.

While you are at it make your case for Pouncey this year, or last year. or any year.

You really don't want to get into this argument with me, because I will smash you with the facts like I have done many times before homer.

You have been quite a smasher. I remember some of your posts bragging about hunting down Steeler's fans at the games and harrassing them and then stealing and burning towels. You are obviously quite the fan.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-06-2012, 04:58 PM

Hair's turnovers are down this year but his tackles are up by a mile compared to the past few years. He's been a tackling machine.

Full disclosure; it was funny watching the Benglas throw that TD pass right over him while he just stood there... not sure what was up with that.

**The Excellector** · 01-06-2012, 05:00 PM

The Steelers won twelves games, while their offense put out performances that Ravens fans would roast Flacco and Cameron for. Troy has been a major reason for that. Woodley has been hurt. Harrison has been hurt. Keisel has been hurt. Troy has been the one constant.

Until you can name me a SS that has had that type of impact this year, I am sticking with the idea that Troy Polamalu is a first team All-Pro.

**wickedsolo** · 01-06-2012, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Here we go again, looking at individual statistics and determining that one player is this and that.

What SS has played better than Troy? We've all seen what that defense is like without him. They go to pieces.

Bernard Pollard? I'd argue he's made a lot more big time plays this season than Polamalu has...could be that Pollard has passes thrown in his direction though.

Tyvon Branch had 109 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT, and 1 FR. He led all SS's in tackles.
Yeremiah Bell had 107 tackles, 5 passes defensed, 2 sacks, and 1 INT.
George Wilson had 106 tackles, 10 passes defensed, and 4 INT's. He had a hell of a year.
Kam Chancellor had 97 tackles, 16 PD's, 2 sacks, 2 FF, 1 FR, and 4 INT's. Also had a couple of helmet-to-helmet calls.
Roman Harper had 75 tackles and almost 8 sacks.
Charlie Peprah had 15 PD's, 1 FF, and 5 INT's.
Kenny Phillips had 15 PD's and 4 INT's and 1 FF.

Honestly, IMO, George Wilson and Kam Chancellor were the two best SS's in the NFL this past year. I watched a few Buffalo games and Wilson is really REALLY underrated.

**The Excellector** · 01-06-2012, 06:31 PM

Pollard is the real reason why there have been more big plays against this defense than normal.

**wickedsolo** · 01-06-2012, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Pollard is the real reason why there have been more big plays against this defense than normal.

He definitely gave up, or was part of giving up, some big plays down the field.

That said, he made a lot of big plays as well in coverage and in run support.

**The Excellector** · 01-06-2012, 06:48 PM

Not as many as Troy.

**ActualSpamBot** · 01-06-2012, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Pollard is the real reason why there have been more big plays against this defense than normal.

Como se what? I'm going to check the stats but to my eyes, this year's d has been light years better against the big play than the last couple of years.

Further, you're going to have to demonstrate specifically the large number of big plays that Pollard is responsible for giving up.

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**The Excellector** · 01-06-2012, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

Como se what? I'm going to check the stats but to my eyes, this year's d has been light years better against the big play than the last couple of years.

Further, you're going to have to demonstrate specifically the large number of big plays that Pollard is responsible for giving up.

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This year's defense is better, but there have been more big plays given up this year. The first one that jumps out to me is the TD that Jacoby Jones caught when Houston came to town. Last week, there was a short pass that went for a long gain, out of the flat, due to Pollard not communicating properly. There was a big play in Seattle when Pollard abandoned his responsibility and let the back go by him.

I want to be clear. I think that Pollard has been an improvement over Landry. I think that the defense is certainly playing better than last year. The premise of my criticism was Wicked's idea that Bernard Pollard was more deserving of being a First Team All-Pro, over Troy Polamalu. The motive, within my comments, does not go beyond arguing that point.