Who do you dislike more

[Americanmade2012]

There is a poll on the patriots forum about who they feel is the bigger asshole and the choices are suggs and Ray Lewis so in all fairness and fun I figured lets see who ravens fans dislike the most.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-...gger-hole.html

[4G63]

I really don't hate Brady or Belicheat or any other Patsie, but of those choices I picked Brady. He is a helluva QB if you give him any time. I definitely respect his abilities as a premier QB.

[wickedsolo]

Honestly, I don't really dislike any of them.

I think Tommi Brady is a ninny with the way he's always yelling for flags, but in the heat of the moment you do what you have to do in order to win games, so I can't knock him too much I guess.

[NCRAVEN]

Gotta be Brady for me. I don't hate him, I just dislike the special treatment he seems to get and all the media love.

IMO he is one of the most overrated QB's I can remember, And before everyone jumps on that comment. I am not saying he is not good or not great just saying overrated.

The last person I said that about that the media was always on their knees for was Shaun Alexander. Can I go two for two?

[blah3]

Gotta be Brady for me. I don't hate him, I just dislike the special treatment he seems to get and all the media love.

IMO he is one of the most overrated QB's I can remember, And before everyone jumps on that comment. I am not saying he is not good or not great just saying overrated.

The last person I said that about that the media was always on their knees for was Shaun Alexander. Can I go two for two?

I go in the opposite direction. I don't think BB is nearly as successful without Brady.

[NCRAVEN]

I go in the opposite direction. I don't think BB is nearly as successful without Brady.

11 -5 with Matt Cassell?

[HoustonRaven]

I used to not like Belichick, but he won me over and then some when I watched "A Football Life". Very insightful to his football mind and frankly, I could care less he was banging Bonni Bernstein.

As for Brady being overrated, unless there are reports out there saying he has walked on water recently, he is one of the greatest to play the game so to say as much is dead balls accurate and nothing close to hyperbole.

Stats, wins, rings tell the story there.

[NCRAVEN]

I used to not like Belichick, but he won me over and then some when I watched "A Football Life". Very insightful to his football mind and frankly, I could care less he was banging Bonni Bernstein.

As for Brady being overrated, unless there are reports out there saying he has walked on water recently, he is one of the greatest to play the game so to say as much is dead balls accurate and nothing close to hyperbole.

Stats, wins, rings tell the story there.

Who would you start a team around of QB's since he's been in the league?

In order...

[RavenusMaximus]

Both Brady and Belichick are good but I doubt if either would have had quite the same success without the special treatment or the cheating. I don't really like either one of them.

[lovefootball]

Don't hate em, just like the Ravens. Hate the talking haeds who ballwash brady and BB.

[alien bird]

I don't think BB is nearly as successful without Brady.

11 -5 with Matt Cassell?

Bill Belichick's Record with non-Brady QBs

Bernie Kosar (11-18)
Vinnie Testaverde (16-15)
Drew Bledsoe (5-13)

[NCRAVEN]

Bill Belichick's Record with non-Brady QBs

Bernie Kosar (11-18)
Vinnie Testaverde (16-15)
Drew Bledsoe (5-13)

Are the Browns QB's really relevant?

[Ravenswintitle]

Brady is the best - can't hate him.

Watching that coaches show on Belichick gave me mixed feelings; did anyone see him on the sideline telling Brady he can't get the team to play like they should? I just can't. I can't.

It was really odd for him to be so negative to his star player. Just found it out of character for what I thought of him.

[alien bird]

Are the Browns QB's really relevant?

If the argument is who benefis most from the relationship, yeah, it matters. Belichick isn't a winning coach with any QB other than Brady, with the exception of one year of Matt Cassell. Even with New England, Belichick was 5-13 before Brady stepped in under center. That makes Belichick's Patriot record 16-18 without Brady.

[NCRAVEN]

If the argument is who benefis most from the relationship, yeah, it matters. Belichick isn't a winning coach with any QB other than Brady, with the exception of one year of Matt Cassell. Even with New England, Belichick was 5-13 before Brady stepped in under center. That makes Belichick's Patriot record 16-18 without Brady.

It wasn't my argument, I just pointed that out to show since Belichick and Brady have been there together, they had a successful season (relatively speaking of course).

Much like we talk about with Flacco, wins and losses are a product of the team not just the QB.

The Patriots had great teams for awhile, of course no one knows how much the cheating played into it.

[TurtlesNBirds]

I went to the same high school as Belichick, can't hate a fellow Panther!

[alien bird]

The Patriots had great teams for awhile, of course no one knows how much the cheating played into it.

Oh, somebody knows. He just destroyed the evidence when it was presented to him to protect the integrity of the league. There was really no other choice, unless he wanted to bring into question three championships and put the product he oversees on the same level as pro wrasslin'.

[mdcrab43]

I won't give BB a pass for the cheating,but does anyone really think other coaches haven't done it? BB just used it better than anyone else!