Cam is Staying but Must Hire a QB Coach, per Mikey Donuts

**HoustonRaven** · 01-26-2012, 06:31 AM

Ugh.

Definition of insanity anyone?

Discuss ...

**GOTA** · 01-26-2012, 06:37 AM

I just hope the Sun is wrong. They had a QB coach and Flacco liked him. They had to get rid if him because there were too many voices in Flacco's head. So now the issue is that there are not enough voices in Flacco's head? If this happens I'm going to lose a lot of respect for Harbaugh.

**Tyrian** · 01-26-2012, 06:39 AM

No surprise, reading the tea leaves does suggest that Cam is staying. Underwhelming.

If this part is true though, it admits they made a big mistake this year. I'm not sure what they're doing.

**PGCountyRaven85** · 01-26-2012, 06:43 AM

Chuck leaves, Cam staying. Worst case scenario actualized.

**pickles** · 01-26-2012, 06:43 AM

I'm not surprised. I think he saved his ass w a good gameplan in NE. It's hard to fire a guy that's a dropped pass away from going to the Superbowl imo.
I'll trust they made a good decision. I will say this though, there are no excuses next year. An average offense, isn't going to be good enough. All the pieces, save LG and C, are returning. The offense has to take a definitive step forward next year or he's gone.

**The Fanatic** · 01-26-2012, 06:44 AM

This wouldn't shock me in the least.
Like I said yesterday in other threads, losing Pagano was not a good recipe to fire Cameron.
I just don't think they want to do that much change at one time to a team that was one dropped pass away from the Superbowl.

I think the QB coach thing is just so Joe can have a buffer between him and Camreron.

We've all seen Cameron and Joe have their differences, so I think them wanting to have somebody else besides Cam to talk to and meet with is the "happy middle ground" they're thinking about trying to create.

**ravensinva** · 01-26-2012, 06:44 AM

According to the article, Chuck got into a heated exchange with Harbaugh during Houston game. This is the first I heard of it, anyone knew about this before?

**Justlovemybirds** · 01-26-2012, 06:45 AM

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...6386827.column

Per Mike Preston sooo....

**HoustonRaven** · 01-26-2012, 06:45 AM

I should have known ....

It's Preston making the rumblings:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...6386827.column

My apologies for repeating a text I got and not do the research myself. So take it with a grain of salt if this is actually true or not. And I am going to fix the headline.

Shame on me ....

**The Fanatic** · 01-26-2012, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by ravensinva

According to the article, Chuck got into a heated exchange with Harbaugh during Houston game. This is the first I heard of it, anyone knew about this before?

Personally, I don't think it's that big of a deal.

There's heated exchanges going on almost every game on the sideline.

**Tyrian** · 01-26-2012, 06:49 AM

Yeah, reading the article sounds like just airing of conjecture. According to him, a source says Cameron will get a new contract (though it doesn't exactly sound like a long one), but he himself doesn't expect one.

If Cam does get a contract, but it's short, sounds to me that it would be: 'We'll keep you, but only because we can't find anyone else'.

Guess we'll know soon enough what the decision is.

**pyite32** · 01-26-2012, 06:53 AM

This will take away all optimism for next year if true. Another year of frustration and seeing Joe not progress if Cam is around.

**pickles** · 01-26-2012, 06:54 AM

Jesus, shame on me for commenting before I read the article. I didn't realize it was by Preston.

Preston is about as usefull as a genital wart, and about as talented a writer.

So, CC probably will be back, but he was last heard saying he wouldn't be back. The man can't write a simple fucking article, w a goddamned thesis for Christ's sake! It reminds me of the Lewis-Reed article from a few weeks ago: The Ravens would be better off sitting Lewis and Reed, but Lewis and Reed are still the best options for the team.

The main can't make a coherent fucking thought.

**Paintballguy** · 01-26-2012, 06:56 AM

I can't take anything from Preston as fact. If Cam does end up staying, I will be pissed though. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Time to bring in some fresh blood.

**rharris1986** · 01-26-2012, 06:58 AM

As the saying goes, don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see.

But if the Ravens think that the way to get to the Superbowl is to do more of the same - more of what Cam Cameron wants to do they will be sadly mistaken. If Cam Cameron is here in 2012 the Ravens will not get to the playoffs - and we will have wasted another year. If they think that Ray Rice is going to get them to the Superbowl they're crazy. The definition of insanity is doing the same old thing over and over again expecting different results.

I only point out that if a decision had be made regarding Cameron it would have been officially announced - there would be no point to keeping it secret at this stage of the game.

**dscola31** · 01-26-2012, 06:59 AM

I'm actually OK with this. I have my problems with Cameron but this screams that Joe made this decision. As if they asked if he should be allowed to stay and Flacco replied, "If you get me a QB coach, I'd have no problem with it"

If Joe signed off, then so do I.

**wickedsolo** · 01-26-2012, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

I just hope the Sun is wrong. They had a QB coach and Flacco liked him. They had to get rid if him because there were too many voices in Flacco's head. So now the issue is that there are not enough voices in Flacco's head? If this happens I'm going to lose a lot of respect for Harbaugh.

I think they fired Zorn because Flacco didn't want to hear what Cam had to say and was predominately listening to Zorn. Couple that with Zorn's offensive philosophy is a lot different than Cam's and I think you had a recipe for disaster. In not so many words: Cam was jealous and felt his territory was being impeded on.

I don't think it had anything to do with too many voices in Flacco's head. I think that's hogwash that they used as an excuse for firing Zorn to begin with.

**pickles** · 01-26-2012, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

I can't take anything from Preston as fact. If Cam does end up staying, I'll will be pissed though. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Time to bring in some fresh blood.

Originally Posted by rharris1986

As the saying goes, don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see.

But if the Ravens think that the way to get to the Superbowl is to do more of the same - more of what Cam Cameron wants to do they will be sadly mistaken. If Cam Cameron is here in 2012 the Ravens will not get to the playoffs - and we will have wasted another year. If they think that Ray Rice is going to get them to the Superbowl they're crazy. The definition of insanity is doing the same old thing over and over again expecting different results.

I only point out that if a decision had be made regarding Cameron it would have been officially announced - there would be no point to keeping it secret at this stage of the game.

I know. The Ravens are SO fucking insane for wanting to repeat as much as possible that saw them a dropped pass, and shanked field goal, away from going to the Superbowl.

Wholesale changes are neccessary after such a pathetic year!!!!!

**DtotheUtotheG** · 01-26-2012, 07:01 AM

Isnt Cam is one of the highest paid OCs I the league, Air Coryell is like 3 routes, a dump off or a bomb. Man I'd like to get that gig...

Also was Zorn let go because Flacco had too many voices in his head? Or that he wasn't a yes man for Cam?

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**wickedsolo** · 01-26-2012, 07:03 AM

Obviously this is coming from Preston who's closest source is probably the water delivery guy.

I wouldn't be surprised, but only because there really doesn't seem to be anyone better at the moment.

I'm not a huge fan of Cam, but if they bring in a QB coach and bring in a new OL coach and WR's coach then I'd be cool with that.