Cam is Staying but Must Hire a QB Coach, per Mikey Donuts

**JAB1985** · 01-26-2012, 07:05 AM

im sorry but another year of unimaginative route running and long routes that kill our offensive line is just depressing me even further than not being in the superbowl. I dont understand how somebody can get so little out of so much and retain there job.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-26-2012, 07:15 AM

Been saying this for a while; they should be in the SB this year and Cam is doing what Harb's wants. Fix the dropped passes and this team improves substantially. Another target wouldn't hurt either.

**Paintballguy** · 01-26-2012, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by pickles

I know. The Ravens are SO fucking insane for wanting to repeat as much as possible that saw them a dropped pass, and shanked field goal, away from going to the Superbowl.

Wholesale changes are neccessary after such a pathetic year!!!!!

Ok captain smart ass. The Ravens would have never had to rely on a last minute Evans pass or FG if they could actually capitalize on golden opportunities to score in the redzone. Think back to the fumbled kickoff return by the Pats. The Ravens could only muster a FG instead of punching it in for 7. An additional 4 points would have been huge.

**rharris1986** · 01-26-2012, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by pickles

I know. The Ravens are SO fucking insane for wanting to repeat as much as possible that saw them a dropped pass, and shanked field goal, away from going to the Superbowl.

Wholesale changes are neccessary after such a pathetic year!!!!!

They've been a "dropped" pass away from the Superbowl for a couple of years now. Its not a question of how close you get before you fail. Its a question of how much potential Joe has.

Whenever Cam digs us into a hole by running Ray Rice into the line on first and second down - and putting Joe into untenable third down passing situations, what usually happens? They put Joe into the shotgun and a hurry up offense and he typically moves us down the field. You might ask yourself why does that happen. The answer is that Joe's natural game is from the shotgun.He can be great if they ever learn how to use him.

If they ever decide that maybe Joe should be the next Joe Montana instead of the next Trent Dilfer they could walk to the Superbowl blowing past their competition with ease. This is the primary reason I want Cam gone.

But if the Ravens retain Cam for 2012 they will be a 9W-7L team and they will not make the playoffs.

I have faith that Biscotti wants the Ravens to be great - not just close!

**Kyle Cactus** · 01-26-2012, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by rharris1986

If Cam Cameron is here in 2012 the Ravens will not get to the playoffs - and we will have wasted another year.

I'm not a Cam fan, but this is overstating it. They've gotten to the playoffs with Cam the last 4 seasons.

Is he limiting the offenses potential?
Yea, I'm open to that idea.

Is he crushing our offense and preventing us from making the playoffs?
Clearly not.

**wickedsolo** · 01-26-2012, 07:25 AM

I think the biggest offensive priority this off-season (even more than fixing the dropped passes) is fixing the OL. Clearly the OL was a major issue this year and a major reason for a lot of the offensive ineptitude.

If it weren't for Joe being able to get better at evading the pass rush he would have been sacked A LOT more this year than last. Eli Manning has a below average OL that was starting a ton of folks out of position (namely at LT) and he was sacked less than Flacco was.

**HoustonRaven** · 01-26-2012, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think the biggest offensive priority this off-season (even more than fixing the dropped passes) is fixing the OL. Clearly the OL was a major issue this year and a major reason for a lot of the offensive ineptitude.

If it weren't for Joe being able to get better at evading the pass rush he would have been sacked A LOT more this year than last. Eli Manning has a below average OL that was starting a ton of folks out of position (namely at LT) and he was sacked less than Flacco was.

**leachisabeast** · 01-26-2012, 07:27 AM

I don't know why people are saying we're automatically gonna miss the play off's if we keep Cam. I would hate for him to return, but after two 12-4 seasons on the trot why would we suddenly NOT make the play off's? Our defense is always good enough to keep us in games regardless of how vanilla the offense is.

I do think if this team want to finally make the SB, we should start off by indeed not resigning Cam. Some of you seem to forget that it's not a case of firing him since his contract is up. He can even make that own choice by returning or not, or going some where else (please steelers or browns!). We don't need a QB coach if we actually get a capable offensive coordinator who is QB friendly. The problem with putting Joe in the shotgun all the time, is that we have invested a lot around our run game. Vonta Leach is the highest paid full back in the league, Rice is about to get big money, and our offensive line is built for run blocking not pass blocking.

**ravensinva** · 01-26-2012, 07:35 AM

Funny how people don't take into account the level of talents this team have and always give Harbaugh a pass.

**CRZA938** · 01-26-2012, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by pickles

It's hard to fire a guy that's a dropped pass away from going to the Superbowl imo.

I disagree. Our 1st quarter was atrocious. If Cam took advantage of that situation, the game wouldn't have even been that close at the end.

**GOTA** · 01-26-2012, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by pickles

Jesus, shame on me for commenting before I read the article. I didn't realize it was by Preston.

Preston is about as usefull as a genital wart, and about as talented a writer.

So, CC probably will be back, but he was last heard saying he wouldn't be back. The man can't write a simple fucking article, w a goddamned thesis for Christ's sake! It reminds me of the Lewis-Reed article from a few weeks ago: The Ravens would be better off sitting Lewis and Reed, but Lewis and Reed are still the best options for the team.

The main can't make a coherent fucking thought.

I hope Aaron Wilson comes up with something on this topic. At least then we'd know. Of course Wilson isn't going to speculate. He's not going to write it if he's not sure.

**RavensNest** · 01-26-2012, 07:46 AM

If we bring in a new OC, who is to say that we will all of a sudden be a better Offense? If you look at the good teams and offenses, it's all about stability. Can Cam get better and do things a little differently? Yes and I hope he does.

i don't think bringing a new OC is as good of an idea as everyone thinks. Look at how many young qb's have had multiple OC and growth was stunted (Jason Campbell, Alex Smith, soon to be Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez)

If they keep Cam, Flacco would have to had signed off on it. So as much as we should blame Harbaugh, if Joe is happy about I don't see the problem.

**GOTA** · 01-26-2012, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think the biggest offensive priority this off-season (even more than fixing the dropped passes) is fixing the OL. Clearly the OL was a major issue this year and a major reason for a lot of the offensive ineptitude.

If it weren't for Joe being able to get better at evading the pass rush he would have been sacked A LOT more this year than last. Eli Manning has a below average OL that was starting a ton of folks out of position (namely at LT) and he was sacked less than Flacco was.

Why is Moeller still here? Does he get to stay too and get another assistant to help him?

Tom Brady by the way had 1 more sack than Flacco this year.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-26-2012, 07:50 AM

read this same exact article on a couple other sites. Not sure if they are copying MP or the other way around. http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2012/01...avens-but.html

**NCRAVEN** · 01-26-2012, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

Why is Moeller still here? Does he get to stay too and get another assistant to help him?

Tom Brady by the way had 1 more sack than Flacco this year.

The difference in that though, Brady was sacked like twice a game. There were games were Flacco wasn't sacked, then the next game sacked 5 times.

**KidSampson** · 01-26-2012, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by CRZA938

I disagree. Our 1st quarter was atrocious. If Cam took advantage of that situation, the game wouldn't have even been that close at the end.

Exactly. The Ravens put themselves in a situation where one or two plays HAD to be made in order to win. Against that defense, they should have scored more than 2 TDs and 2 FGs. The Evans' drop should have been insignificant.

**NOLARavenFAN** · 01-26-2012, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by DtotheUtotheG

Isnt Cam is one of the highest paid OCs I the league, Air Coryell is like 3 routes, a dump off or a bomb. Man I'd like to get that gig...

Also was Zorn let go because Flacco had too many voices in his head? Or that he wasn't a yes man for Cam?

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Yeah, I think Cameron is going to have voices in his head.....no imagination, I just don't get it.

**NOLARavenFAN** · 01-26-2012, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by KidSampson

Exactly. The Ravens put themselves in a situation where one or two plays HAD to be made in order to win. Against that defense, they should have scored more than 2 TDs and 2 FGs. The Evans' drop should have been insignificant.

Yes, I agree, although that defense was playing well in the front 7, and Wilfork outplayed Ngata..

**Terpsfan82** · 01-26-2012, 08:06 AM

I'll believe it when they announce it.

**Teavo** · 01-26-2012, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Definition of insanity anyone?

Insanity (noun)

Me after hearing that we're losing Chuck Pagano and probably keeping Cam Cameron.

I take mild solace in the fact that Cam does not have an extension yet. That tells me Biscuit is at least considering other options. I also take comfort in that it's Preston reporting about Cam staying, therefore it must be wrong.

What's crazy is that Joe isn't even the problem with our offense. I guess it's fine that we'll hire a QB coach because it might help Joe progress, but even an "improved Joe" won't fix what is really wrong with the Ravens offense, which is that Cam's coordination is predictable and lacks creativity (ironically except against bad teams that don't scare him). Hiring a QB coach amounts to putting a band-aid on a person's scratched elbow while ignoring their gaping chest wound.

I see some of you saying that if Cam returns it will be a short deal where Cam has to prove he can do the job, no excuses. Well I thought that was supposed to be this year. He just had his chance to prove it, and in my view he came up short. And I don't mean because of the New England game, in fact that's probably not even in the top ten reasons to let Cam go, even though just 20 points against the 31st ranked defense gets a huge "Come on, man" from me.

Cam Cameron was good for this team in his first two years. Even now he's not terrible. We make the playoffs consistently and our offense is OK. But it could be better. Cam is now the ceiling we will bump our heads against as long as he remains. There will be no Ravens Super Bowl with Cam Cameron. There will be a lot of near misses instead. We'll come really close, and fall just short every time.

There are only two reasons to keep Cam Cam and one of them is really scary. First, if there is no viable candidate to replace Cam, then obviously he should stay. Unfortunately that could well be the case. The second reason is what chills me: the possibility that Cam is acting exactly how John Harbaugh wants him to, that all the lame fetal-position offensive strategy is coming straight from Harbaugh at least in the big picture. Because if that's true we're in trouble.

I agree with Wicked that if we're stuck with Cam, then at least give us a new WR and OL coach (and a QB coach wouldn't hurt).