Cam is Staying but Must Hire a QB Coach, per Mikey Donuts

[Kyle Cactus]

Tom Brady by the way had 1 more sack than Flacco this year.

... but he also had 70 more pass attempts.

[wickedsolo]

Why is Moeller still here? Does he get to stay too and get another assistant to help him?

Tom Brady by the way had 1 more sack than Flacco this year.

If they only make 1 change in the offensive coaching staff I hope it's Andy Moeller.

Tom Brady also passed the ball 611 times this season, an average of 38 passes per game, which averages out to about 1 sack every 19 pass attempts.

Joe Flacco passed the ball 542 times this season, an average of 33 times per game, which averages out to about 1 sack every 17 pass attempts.

Pretty similar in reality, but Brady still passed the ball almost 100 more times than Flacco.

You could also argue that Brady isn't as elusive as Flacco is in the pocket. There were several times where Flacco should have been sacked, but was able to escape.

[GOTA]

Now Florio has picked up this Preston story. He also mentions the heat between Harbaugh and Pagano in the Texans game. I wish I knew who Preston's 'source' is. It's probably the man in the mirror since it's obvious the team can't stand him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ore-after-all/

The contract for Ravens offensive coordinator Cam Cameron is up, and there has been a widespread expectation that he won’t be brought back in Baltimore.

Florio heard via a league source that no decision had been made as of Tuesday night. While the Baltimore Sun thought Cameron was in trouble Wednesday, the tune has changed in Thursday’s paper.

Cameron reportedly called his offensive assistants Wednesday and gave them instructions for the next couple of weeks, which is a sign that Cameron will be back. Mike Preston has a source that believes Cameron will return, with the stipulation that the team hire a quarterbacks coach.

We think the predictability of the Ravens offense and Joe Flacco’s lack of development in 2011 are big marks against Cameron. But coach John Harbaugh has a good relationship with Cameron.

The same source told Preston that Harbaugh’s relationship with defensive coordinator Chuck Pagano was somewhat strained after Pagano got into a heated argument with Harbaugh late in Baltimore’s win over the Texans.

“That would have been interesting to see how things would have worked out if Chuck didn’t get the job in Indianapolis,” said the source. “Their exchange was very heated.”

[pickles]

Ok captain smart ass. The Ravens would have never had to rely on a last minute Evans pass or FG if they could actually capitalize on golden opportunities to score in the redzone. Think back to the fumbled kickoff return by the Pats. The Ravens could only muster a FG instead of punching it in for 7. An additional 4 points would have been huge.

They've been a "dropped" pass away from the Superbowl for a couple of years now. Its not a question of how close you get before you fail. Its a question of how much potential Joe has.

Whenever Cam digs us into a hole by running Ray Rice into the line on first and second down - and putting Joe into untenable third down passing situations, what usually happens? They put Joe into the shotgun and a hurry up offense and he typically moves us down the field. You might ask yourself why does that happen. The answer is that Joe's natural game is from the shotgun.He can be great if they ever learn how to use him.

If they ever decide that maybe Joe should be the next Joe Montana instead of the next Trent Dilfer they could walk to the Superbowl blowing past their competition with ease. This is the primary reason I want Cam gone.

But if the Ravens retain Cam for 2012 they will be a 9W-7L team and they will not make the playoffs.

I have faith that Biscotti wants the Ravens to be great - not just close!

You guys do know that the other team tries to win football games too, right? And they get paid fairly good money to do it?

The idea that CC is holding the Ravens back from walzting into the Superbowl every year is farcical. If those are your expectations you're going to be sadly disappointed, year after year.

Furthermore, the idea that the Ravens WILL NOT make the playoffs next year, solely because they retained CC, is beyond farcical. It's idiotic. They've made it FOUR years in a row w him- maybe they'll sneak in again.

[Honest John]

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but 3 things seem clearly to be true.

1. Teams with good offenses have receivers more open than the Ravens' receivers, and those receivers on those good offenses are not all better than the Ravens' receivers. This is often a matter of play design, not just talent.

2. Even fans watching on TV have a pretty good idea what plays the Ravens are going to run, based on down, distance and formation. If fans do, NFL coaches and players, who spend their entire week studying their opponent, do.

3. In contrast to GB, NO, NE, and even Pgh, and others, the offense the Ravens are running was designed long before the rule changes that have made it much more difficult to defend the pass, and fails to adequately take advantage of those rule changes. The NFL WANTS RECEIVERS OPEN AND PASSES COMPLETED. It has made and enforced rule changes to ensure that very thing.

Unless a new OC is hired, 1 and 2 are not likely to change.

[festivus]

Isnt Cam is one of the highest paid OCs I the league, Air Coryell is like 3 routes, a dump off or a bomb. Man I'd like to get that gig...

The Chargers also run an "Air Coryell" offense, as I understand it, but somehow theirs looks, erm, more sophisticated? Different.

[Ravenswintitle]

Isnt Cam is one of the highest paid OCs I the league, Air Coryell is like 3 routes, a dump off or a bomb. Man I'd like to get that gig...

Also was Zorn let go because Flacco had too many voices in his head? Or that he wasn't a yes man for Cam?

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educate yourself on Air Coryell and you may be surprised

[B-more Ravor]

If this report turns out being true, my guess is they've looked around at possible OC replacements and didn't see one they (Harbaugh, Ozzie, DeCosta, Bisciotti) felt comfortable enough with and felt it was best to stick with Cam.

Certainly, a lot of the names being thrown around - Childress, Hue - didn't do much for me, but I was hoping for some other name to come up.

Regardless, I just can't get Greg Cosell's characterization of Cam's "1960's" offense out of my head. Ugh.

[leachisabeast]

The Chargers also run an "Air Coryell" offense, as I understand it, but somehow theirs looks, erm, more sophisticated? Different.

The Chargers have V Jackson, Antonio Gates, and Floyd. The Chargers are certainly top 5 in receiving corps. We have a decent receiving corps with great potential in our tight ends and Torrey Smith, but they are still missing one or two pieces.

[pickles]

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but 3 things seem clearly to be true.

1. Teams with good offenses have receivers more open than the Ravens' receivers, and those receivers on those good offenses are not all better than the Ravens' receivers. This is often a matter of play design, not just talent

I don't agree with this at all. Name me one team w a "high-flying" offense that doesn't have better recievers than the Ravens.

Hell, name me one team that made the playoffs in the AFC that doesn't have better recievers than the Ravens.

We had Anquan Boldin, a rookie, and nothing else for most of the year. That isn't a good set of recievers. I'm sorry.

2. Even fans watching on TV have a pretty good idea what plays the Ravens are going to run, based on down, distance and formation. If fans do, NFL coaches and players, who spend their entire week studying their opponent, do.

Eh. I don't know about this. I mean, when I watch other NFL teams and it's 3-5 I know they're going to pass the ball. I don't think this offense is quite as predictable as some would have you believe.

That said, I think it's something that could be diversified. And that is something that doesn't neccesarily take the firing of CC to happen.

3. In contrast to GB, NO, NE, and even Pgh, and others, the offense the Ravens are running was designed long before the rule changes that have made it much more difficult to defend the pass, and fails to adequately take advantage of those rule changes. The NFL WANTS RECEIVERS OPEN AND PASSES COMPLETED. It has made and enforced rule changes to ensure that very thing.

Again, this to me is a message board meme. Plenty of teams, even right now, in the NFL run a variation of our offense and are highly prolific.

The idea that the offense that CC runs here is inherently outdated is false.

[Honest John]

If this report turns out being true, my guess is they've looked around at possible OC replacements and didn't see one they (Harbaugh, Ozzie, DeCosta, Bisciotti) felt comfortable enough with and felt it was best to stick with Cam.

Certainly, a lot of the names being thrown around - Childress, Hue - didn't do much for me, but I was hoping for some other name to come up.

Regardless, I just can't get Greg Cosell's characterization of Cam's "1960's" offense out of my head. Ugh.

You may be right, Ravor. Maybe they need to look a little harder.

[wickedsolo]

The Chargers have V Jackson, Antonio Gates, and Floyd. The Chargers are certainly top 5 in receiving corps. We have a decent receiving corps with great potential in our tight ends and Torrey Smith, but they are still missing one or two pieces.

Floyd may be taller than any of the receiver in Baltimore, but I certainly wouldn't ever use the word better to compare him to Baltimore's receivers.

VJAX, yes, Gates, yes although Gates showed signs of wear and tear this season and he looked a lot slower than he has in the past. Gates may not be physically able to be the same player that he was in the past anymore.

[wickedsolo]

If this report turns out being true, my guess is they've looked around at possible OC replacements and didn't see one they (Harbaugh, Ozzie, DeCosta, Bisciotti) felt comfortable enough with and felt it was best to stick with Cam.

Certainly, a lot of the names being thrown around - Childress, Hue - didn't do much for me, but I was hoping for some other name to come up.

Regardless, I just can't get Greg Cosell's characterization of Cam's "1960's" offense out of my head. Ugh.

Pretty much my thoughts on the situation as well.

I actually think there was probably a lot of truth to the Norv Turner rumor.

[leachisabeast]

I don't agree with this at all. Name me one team w a "high-flying" offense that doesn't have better recievers than the Ravens.

Hell, name me one team that made the playoffs in the AFC that doesn't have better recievers than the Ravens.

We had Anquan Boldin, a rookie, and nothing else for most of the year. That isn't a good set of recievers. I'm sorry.



Eh. I don't know about this. I mean, when I watch other NFL teams and it's 3-5 I know they're going to pass the ball. I don't think this offense is quite as predictable as some would have you believe.

That said, I think it's something that could be diversified. And that is something that doesn't neccesarily take the firing of CC to happen.



Again, this to me is a message board meme. Plenty of teams, even right now, in the NFL run a variation of our offense and are highly prolific.

The idea that the offense that CC runs here is inherently outdated is false.

I would take our receivers over the Broncos, the 49ers, and the Bengals any day. Arguably we have better all around receiving corps than the Texans, since all the Texans have is Andre Johnson and no one else really.

[pickles]

The Chargers have V Jackson, Antonio Gates, and Floyd. The Chargers are certainly top 5 in receiving corps. We have a decent receiving corps with great potential in our tight ends and Torrey Smith, but they are still missing one or two pieces.

I'm not taking a shot on you but there is some funny shit going on in regards to the evaluation of Cam.

Some people say we have such talent at the WR position that we aren't getting enough out of it.

And then turn around and say, his offense is only successful w elite talent at the skill positions.

So which is it? Is he underutilizing his talent? Or does he need more to be successful?

[wickedsolo]

I would take our receivers over the Broncos, the 49ers, and the Bengals any day. Arguably we have better all around receiving corps than the Texans, since all the Texans have is Andre Johnson and no one else really.

You'd take Boldin and Torrey over AJ Green and Jerome Simpson? Andre Johnson?

Dude...drugs are bad for you.

[wickedsolo]

I'm not taking a shot on you but there is some funny shit going on in regards to the evaluation of Cam.

Some people say we have such talent at the WR position that we aren't getting enough out of it.

And then turn around and say, his offense is only successful w elite talent at the skill positions.

So which is it? Is he underutilizing his talent? Or does he need more to be successful?

Both.

In all seriousness, the Ravens do need to get better at the receiver position.

It's still not going to matter much until they figure out how the hell to make their OL better. The OL play this season was gross.

[pickles]

I would take our receivers over the Broncos, the 49ers, and the Bengals any day. Arguably we have better all around receiving corps than the Texans, since all the Texans have is Andre Johnson and no one else really.

The Broncos I'll give you.

The 49ers aren't an AFC team, and they do have a weapon that far outshines any of ours: V Davis.

And don't forget Crabtree either.

The Bengals I'd take over ours fairly comfortably. Gresham, Simpson, Green.

We don't have a wealth of talent in the recieving department, and even what we do have, outside of Boldin, is incredibly young and inexperienced.

[pickles]

Both.

In all seriousness, the Ravens do need to get better at the receiver position.

It's still not going to matter much until they figure out how the hell to make their OL better. The OL play this season was gross.

I agree the O-line is the point of greatest concern on the O side of the ball.

What worries me, is I just don't see how they manage to upgrade it much w what else we need to do this offseason, and what we have to accomplish it.

[Lime in the Coconut]

If Cam stays, it's going to be hard to expect much from the offense next year no matter who we bring in. Guy just sucks, plain and simple, time for change on offense. We need identity, we need culture, attitude. What we don't need is Cam Cameron as OC.