Cam is Staying but Must Hire a QB Coach, per Mikey Donuts

**The Excellector** · 01-26-2012, 12:05 PM

On one hand, you have won twelves games in consecutive years with Cameron as the offensive coordinator. On the other hand, at some point, this offense needs to become a proactive and dictating offense. They can't keep riding this defense the way that they are, only to suddenly ask Joe to save them when the defense has a bad day. The defense should be able to have the same comfort in the offense that the offense has in the defense. Most of the pieces are in place for an offense with those capabilities. Some of them are just young and need development. Other than a WR with some size and quality hands on the outside, to help move Boldin into the slot, there is not much more that is really needed, talent wise, for this offense.

The question is whether or not Cam Cameron will get the offense to that level.

**wickedsolo** · 01-26-2012, 12:21 PM

That is my biggest fear Ex.

When the Packers won the SB their D was one of the best in the league...1 year later their D dropped significantly. It's not like they don't have good players on their squad...it just happens. Not every year is like the last and not ever week is like the last.

**The Excellector** · 01-26-2012, 12:27 PM

I usually do not advocate this sort of thing, but I would not mind if Bisciotti made the final decision here and got rid of Cameron. I have to admit, I think that Cameron is getting some of his orders from Harbaugh, who is just trying to think of the best way to win. The issue is not whether or not he has been right. It is clear that he 'has' been right, far more often than not. However, it's just not a good way to develop an offense. Anything could happen next year to damage this defense. Your offense shouldn't have the mentality that, 'Uh Oh, we have to step up now'. It should go into every game with the mentality that no prisoners will be taken, because that is the mentality that has made the defense what it is today.

**Captain Silver** · 01-26-2012, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Teavo

So true...

I think we will continue to make the playoffs though. Cam hasn't stopped us from getting that far. What he'll do is hold us back from getting to the top of the mountain. He'll be just conservative enough, just predictable enough, get just a little too little out of his receivers... enough... to fall short again and again.

He's too good to fire in a heartbeat, but not good enough to get us where we want to go.

2011: "Cam failed again but we'll keep him because there's a lockout and we need continuity. But this year Cam must prove he can do the job. No excuses."

2012: "Cam failed again but we lost Pagano and we need continuity. But this year Cam must prove he can do the job. No excuses!"

2013: "Cam failed again but we couldn't find any exciting names to replace him with. But this year Cam must prove he can do the job. No excuses!!!"

2014: "Cam failed again but we've been to the playoffs seven times in a row so we can't fire him. But this year Cam MUST prove he can do the job. No excuses!!!!!"

2015: "Cam failed again but it's because Anquan Boldin is old and should retire. But this year Cam MUST prove he can do the job. No excuses!!!!!"

2016: "Cam failed again but it's because LeMarcus Whoozat was a pretty bad left guard for us. But this year Cam *MUST* prove he can do the job. No excuses!!!!!"

...

2047: "Cam failed again but it's because he's old and senile. Give the guy a break he's about ninety years old. Too bad we haven't won a Super Bowl since 2000. I wonder why?"

MONEY!!! Can wee get this on a billboard in front of the Castle?

**Teavo** · 01-26-2012, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

People really need to stop repeating this mantra. The Pats were the 2nd worst D in yards allowed, not points allowed.

The Pats were 15th in points allowed at 21 ppg (19 ppg at home).

So, if you're going to say that the Ravens only scored 20 points on the Pats (which really should have been 27, unless you are going to blame Evans' drop on Cam), then you have to compare that with the correct statistical ranking.

I think this is an example of statistics only telling part of the story.

IMO the discrepancy between the Patriot defense's ranking in yards allowed (#31) and points allowed (#15) is due to the Patriots winning the turnover differential in most of their games. In other words, the defense really was weak, allowing opponents to move up and down the field, but they'd manage a few key turnovers to avoid giving up a couple of scores each game.

We had only one turnover on Sunday (and stole two from them) so the Patriots defense largely failed to stop us that way, yet they kept us roughly at their average points allowed anyway.

So one could say that the Ravens defense gave the Ravens offense the rare good fortune of winning the turnover battle against the Patriots and our offense still could not do any better than 'average'. In my view that is a failure.

**AirFlacco** · 01-26-2012, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

I just hope the Sun is wrong. They had a QB coach and Flacco liked him. They had to get rid if him because there were too many voices in Flacco's head. So now the issue is that there are not enough voices in Flacco's head? If this happens I'm going to lose a lot of respect for Harbaugh.

Is no wonder we lose like this every year.

It's the system stupid - from the top to the
bottom.

Welcome to the new Eagles.

IF WE CAN'T GET ONE YARD WE DON'T DESERVE TO BE CHAMPIONS.

VINCE LOMBARDI

I JUST HOPE WE GET INTO THE PLAY OFFS
EVERY YEAR.

STEVE B ISIOTTI

**mommathurgoesthatman** · 01-26-2012, 01:47 PM

How will a qb coach change the play calling and make adjustments on the run during the game? A qb coach is not the answer to the problem.

**DarthCorvax** · 01-26-2012, 01:50 PM

What this says is that they think the main reason for the Ravens not doing better than they did was Joe and Cam's relationship, not the system. So they're going to put another buffer between them.

Since Cam's staying, I hope they take a few OL during the draft, at least one, hopefully two, who can jump right in and play.

**B-more Ravor** · 01-26-2012, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Teavo

I think this is an example of statistics only telling part of the story.

IMO the discrepancy between the Patriot defense's ranking in yards allowed (#31) and points allowed (#15) is due to the Patriots winning the turnover differential in most of their games. In other words, the defense really was weak, allowing opponents to move up and down the field, but they'd manage a few key turnovers to avoid giving up a couple of scores each game.

We had only one turnover on Sunday (and stole two from them) so the Patriots defense largely failed to stop us that way, yet they kept us roughly at their average points allowed anyway.

So one could say that the Ravens defense gave the Ravens offense the rare good fortune of winning the turnover battle against the Patriots and our offense still could not do any better than 'average'. In my view that is a failure.

I hear ya, but I also think that the Pats' D's poor yardage statistics and their high number of turnovers also has to do with the fact that the Pats' offense was one of the better ones in the league. As such, they often were playing from the lead and their opponents were forced to play catch up. That means their opponents were throwing the ball more, which leads to more yards allowed, but also more turnovers.

**BleedPurple92** · 01-26-2012, 01:59 PM

Lmao.... Priceless Reactions. Who didn't see this coming? haha

With all the Armchair coordinators we have, i'm surprised we've ever lost a game.

Catch a few more balls, give Joe more time. Give him another big play threat... You know what's funny? Its hilarious how when Joe has time to throw the ball we look incredible, funny how that works.

I'm trusting the experts, you know the guys that get paid millions of dollars to make these decisions. Either way i'm fine, but if they think Cam coming back is right i'll trust them. Whether they fire him or not i'm trusting the guys that know what went wrong, and the guy's that are around Cam all the time. They know what the problem was. Sorry guys but you might not know as much as you think you know. Heaven knows i dont know what's going on in the Castle, i don't know why plays didn't work. They do, and they will make the right decisions in order to fix it.

**wickedsolo** · 01-26-2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Is no wonder we lose like this every year.

It's the system stupid - from the top to the
bottom.

Welcome to the new Eagles.

IF WE CAN'T GET ONE YARD WE DON'T DESERVE TO BE CHAMPIONS.

VINCE LOMBARDI

I JUST HOPE WE GET INTO THE PLAY OFFS
EVERY YEAR.

STEVE B ISIOTTI

The whole "Eagles South" thing is so ridiculously overplayed and baseless.

John Harbaugh coached in Philly...he MUST be just like Andy Reid...

Laughable if anyone thinks that Bisciotti isn't furious over the outcome of the season and isn't doing things to make the team better.

If Cam stays here another year it has nothing to do with them wanting him. It means that there wasn't anyone better available.

Plus, this is all complete speculation at the moment. Until it's on www.baltimoreravens.com none of it means jack. All of these reporters with inside information on what the Ravens are doing are full of shit. No one has inside info on the Ravens. The Ravens organization is about as tight-lipped as they come.

**wickedsolo** · 01-26-2012, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by BleedPurple92

Lmao.... Priceless Reactions. Who didn't see this coming? haha

With all the Armchair coordinators we have, i'm surprised we've ever lost a game.

Catch a few more balls, give Joe more time. Give him another big play threat... You know what's funny? Its hilarious how when Joe has time to throw the ball we look incredible, funny how that works.

I'm trusting the experts, you know the guys that get paid millions of dollars to make these decisions. Either way i'm fine, but if they think Cam coming back is right i'll trust them.

Joe throws the ball well regardless of how much time he had or not.

60%+ completions, 2 TD's (3 if Evans hangs on) and 300+ yards when the OL was giving up made pressure to 3 DE's?

Joe can get it done.

**BleedPurple92** · 01-26-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Is no wonder we lose like this every year.

It's the system stupid - from the top to the
bottom.

Welcome to the new Eagles.

IF WE CAN'T GET ONE YARD WE DON'T DESERVE TO BE CHAMPIONS.

VINCE LOMBARDI

I JUST HOPE WE GET INTO THE PLAY OFFS
EVERY YEAR.

STEVE B ISIOTTI

Dude please relax with that Bullshit.

**BleedPurple92** · 01-26-2012, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Joe throws the ball well regardless of how much time he had or not.

60%+ completions, 2 TD's (3 if Evans hangs on) and 300+ yards when the OL was giving up made pressure to 3 DE's?

Joe can get it done.

If i'm not mistaking you're in the same camp as i am.. whatever they do is fine right? fire him or keep him.

They have film, they have a sheet of the plays cam called. They have all the resources to make the right decisions. They know why plays didn't work, they know why Cam called certain plays when he did. I mean the answer is there. Trust me they wont keep Cam if they think it will hurt their teams.

Why do we argue that? I think this is clearly a case of Fans acting like they know too much. Nothing better than Know it all fans right?

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-26-2012, 02:07 PM

=wickedsolo;415108If Cam stays here another year it has nothing to do with them wanting him. It means that there wasn't anyone better available.

That's not a bad thing. I like having the best available

**B-more Ravor** · 01-26-2012, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

The whole "Eagles South" thing is so ridiculously overplayed and baseless.

John Harbaugh coached in Philly...he MUST be just like Andy Reid...

Yeah, I said the same in another thread earlier today. It's really starting to get old.

It's sort of like calling Paul Kruger the next Dan Cody before he even played a down in the NFL because they were both picked in the 2nd round and both were white.

**Lime in the Coconut** · 01-26-2012, 02:15 PM

That's what is sad. Cameron's calls are so predictable, that any of us can call what it's going to be. Stretch run 1st and 2nd down and then shotgun throw. I'm sorry, but this offense will not evolve until they get an actual OC in here. They have the talent, I'm not saying they're the best offense talent wise, but they should be much more EFFICIENT than they are. He has to go, sorry. A new QB coach will not cut it, he's not the one calling the plays and designing the schemes and there has to be someone out there better than Cam. If not, there's a lot of sucky offensive assistants.

It's just like many said on here. They wasted the 1st quarter in NE while the D shut down Brady the whole time. They could throw on that D at will and still, all they manage is 20 freaking points? Cam trying to jam Ray Rice down the middle and it getting stuffed every time. Sometimes, and maybe this is just me, but he wants us to lose, at least that's how he calls the game. It's incredible that they actually want to keep this idiot around. I mean I could see if we lacked the talent but we don't. It's sad truthfully. It'd hard to get excited for Joe and the offense with this clown still calling plays. Maybe I'm too harsh, but I've had enough.

**lovefootball** · 01-26-2012, 02:19 PM

Cam is afraid that if he does a great job as OC, some team will want him as a head coach. We all remember how he did in Miami. He has job security with the Ravens, it doesn't get any better then that. Cam will stay and the Ravens will win a Super Bowl and the talking heads will say that because Joe and Cam worked together for years( Like Peyton and Tom Moore), that is why they won. Only way Ravens get rid of Cam is if it comes from Biscotti. I say Cam stays, Joe gets better then what he has done so far, and Ravens become a team to be dealt with for years to come.. O'yea, Ray Lewis gets a ring because he is not retiring , even if he is coaching at that point. Which will be the greatest thing ever to happen for the Ravens organization.

**psuasskicker** · 01-26-2012, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by rharris1986

But if the Ravens think that the way to get to the Superbowl is to do more of the same - more of what Cam Cameron wants to do they will be sadly mistaken.

It sounds like a lot of you folks seem to forget we were a dropped pass away from actually being in the Super Bowl with a Cam Cameron led offense.

I'm not a Cam supporter. I actually prefer it if they would part ways. But the guy takes heat unnecessarily in several situations. I broke it down in an article earlier which Tony posted here last week, and I posted here on my blog. He's nowhere near as bad as many people make him out to be.

But all this "We'll never get to the SB with him" crap should slow down. We need players that can make plays for us. Right now, we're sorely lacking that. I'd like a new OC too...but our current one did what needed to be done to get us to the big dance. Let's not pretend it's not possible to get there with him. And anyone saying we won't make the playoffs next year if he's here needs a reality check. Since he's been here, we haven't missed. Because of him or not, it's highly unlikely that if we miss next year, it's because of him.

- C -

**rharris1986** · 01-26-2012, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Lime in the Coconut

That's what is sad. Cameron's calls are so predictable, that any of us can call what it's going to be. Stretch run 1st and 2nd down and then shotgun throw. I'm sorry, but this offense will not evolve until they get an actual OC in here. They have the talent, I'm not saying they're the best offense talent wise, but they should be much more EFFICIENT than they are. He has to go, sorry. A new QB coach will not cut it, he's not the one calling the plays and designing the schemes and there has to be someone out there better than Cam. If not, there's a lot of sucky offensive assistants.

It's just like many said on here. They wasted the 1st quarter in NE while the D shut down Brady the whole time. They could throw on that D at will and still, all they manage is 20 freaking points? Cam trying to jam Ray Rice down the middle and it getting stuffed every time. Sometimes, and maybe this is just me, but he wants us to lose, at least that's how he calls the game. It's incredible that they actually want to keep this idiot around. I mean I could see if we lacked the talent but we don't. It's sad truthfully. It'd hard to get excited for Joe and the offense with this clown still calling plays. Maybe I'm too harsh, but I've had enough.

I'm going to get accused of writing this post.

My wife called the first Ravens play prior to the snap. That should tell you something about the Ravens offense.

At this point I would be willing to get rid of Harbaugh if that was the only way I could get rid of Cam.

I think the decision on Cam has yet to be made! My fingers are crossed!