now that its over

**DBK11** · 01-28-2012, 09:26 AM

As a fan, all you can hope for is that your team makes the playoffs and gives themselves a shot. The competition at the top is so close, and you need breaks and players to perform at the right time. If you keep putting yourself in the mix , eventually you will get the breaks and confidence to break through and get to the next level. The Ravens are on the verge and as Bum Phillips said "we're knocking on the door but we need to bust the door down". The Ravens will get there soon and it will be worth it all knowing how tough it is to get there.

**GOTA** · 01-28-2012, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by pickles

As they should be imo. But winning you're division and going to the AFCC game should be satisfactory I believe. But like I said, to each their own.

I do worry about this fanbase though if we have a down year and fail to make the playoffs. It's bound to happen one of these years, and there would be some seriously insane venting if/when it does happen. I mean, people would want Harbaugh, and most likely Flacco, gone. I don't look forward to that year. I mean we have a large part of the fanbase that bitches and moans throughout the 12-4 Division winning/sweeping, last second loss in the AFCC game season. What would they sound like if we went 7-9? I shudder to think.

One my favorite seasons as a Ravens fan was 2002. We all knew it was over after 2001 and they were going to have to gut the team and rebuild. Those young players though really showed something. Especially on defense where guys like Ed Reed, Gary Baxter, AD and Kelly Gregg showed everyone that they were ready to take over.

That season we had zero expectations. The team went 7-9 and was a couple of plays away from 9-7. Damn, that was fun.

7-9 now though wouldn't be as fun. Not from 4 years of being this close. You can't get there each year without winning it and expect fans to be happy. I bet it's the same way for the players, the front office and Bisciotti. They have to be just as frustrated by this as the fans are.

**pickles** · 01-28-2012, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

One my favorite seasons as a Ravens fan was 2002. We all knew it was over after 2001 and they were going to have to gut the team and rebuild. Those young players though really showed something. Especially on defense where guys like Ed Reed, Gary Baxter, AD and Kelly Gregg showed everyone that they were ready to take over.

That season we had zero expectations. The team went 7-9 and was a couple of plays away from 9-7. Damn, that was fun.

7-9 now though wouldn't be as fun. Not from 4 years of being this close. You can't get there each year without winning it and expect fans to be happy. I bet it's the same way for the players, the front office and Bisciotti. They have to be just as frustrated by this as the fans are.

I'm sure they're frustrated as hell; one of the more ridiculous things we've read here in the aftermath of the loss and the retention of CC, is the idea that somehow the FO and coaching staff doesn't care enough because they didn't drag CC through the streets and publicly castrate him. The organization cares more than the fans do; they just are going to be professionals about it, and that means accepting dissapointment.

2002 was a great year, but I don't think it can touch 2008. That was a team most pegged for 4-5 wins and we went all the way to the AFCC game. That was a hell of a ride, and really rekindled alot of Ravens love after the terrible years of 05 and 07, and the bitter dissapointment of 06.

For me, one of the most disappointing years was 04. We'd come off the AFC North title w the youngest team in the league; Ed Reed played out of his mind all year, and we still missed the playoffs, and were physically dominated by Pitt in the 2nd matchup. Not to mention that Pitt. unearthed Ben and it was pretty obvious that the balance of power had shifted in the conference for the forseeable future.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-28-2012, 10:43 AM

the best season we've had in a long time; absolutely knocked it out of the ball park. Crushed Pitt and then beat them at their place with a comeback dagger to the heart, beat the Jets, beat SF in front of a huge national audience on Thanksgiving. Swept the division and were a play away from the SB. I'm still dissapointed in the way that game ended but the season was fantastic.

**steelerhater** · 01-28-2012, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

One my favorite seasons as a Ravens fan was 2002. We all knew it was over after 2001 and they were going to have to gut the team and rebuild. Those young players though really showed something. Especially on defense where guys like Ed Reed, Gary Baxter, AD and Kelly Gregg showed everyone that they were ready to take over.

That season we had zero expectations. The team went 7-9 and was a couple of plays away from 9-7. Damn, that was fun.

7-9 now though wouldn't be as fun. Not from 4 years of being this close. You can't get there each year without winning it and expect fans to be happy. I bet it's the same way for the players, the front office and Bisciotti. They have to be just as frustrated by this as the fans are.

I don't think so. Otherwise they'd try to fix what is broken. By keeping Cameron, they've resolved themselves to the fact that our offense will always be mediocre and our defense won't get any help yet again next year. We all know what the problem is, but the front office is ok with it.

**steelerhater** · 01-28-2012, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by pickles

I'm sure they're frustrated as hell; one of the more ridiculous things we've read here in the aftermath of the loss and the retention of CC, is the idea that somehow the FO and coaching staff doesn't care enough because they didn't drag CC through the streets and publicly castrate him. The organization cares more than the fans do; they just are going to be professionals about it, and that means accepting dissapointment.
2002 was a great year, but I don't think it can touch 2008. That was a team most pegged for 4-5 wins and we went all the way to the AFCC game. That was a hell of a ride, and really rekindled alot of Ravens love after the terrible years of 05 and 07, and the bitter dissapointment of 06.

For me, one of the most disappointing years was 04. We'd come off the AFC North title w the youngest team in the league; Ed Reed played out of his mind all year, and we still missed the playoffs, and were physically dominated by Pitt in the 2nd matchup. Not to mention that Pitt. unearthed Ben and it was pretty obvious that the balance of power had shifted in the conference for the forseeable future.

So, they don't want to hurt Cam's feelings, thus they'll keep the status quo? That's what being professional is all about? Not trying to fix what is holding this team back is not being professional in my mind.

**pickles** · 01-28-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

I don't think so. Otherwise they'd try to fix what is broken. By keeping Cameron, they've resolved themselves to the fact that our offense will always be mediocre and our defense won't get any help yet again next year. We all know what the problem is, but the front office is ok with it.

Originally Posted by steelerhater

So, they don't want to hurt Cam's feelings, thus they'll keep the status quo? That's what being professional is all about? Not trying to fix what is holding this team back is not being professional in my mind.

Get over your fucking self, man. How old are you?

These guys 1) Know a hell of alot more about football than you, and if they think retaining CC is the way to go forward, I'll take their word over yours, or any other message board coach, any day of the week; and 2) These guys live and die w that football team 24/7/365. To think otherwise is beyond moronic.

**steelerhater** · 01-28-2012, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by pickles

Get over your fucking self, man. How old are you?
These guys 1) Know a hell of alot more about football than you, and if they think retaining CC is the way to go forward, I'll take their word over yours, or any other message board coach, any day of the week; and 2) These guys live and die w that football team 24/7/365. To think otherwise is beyond moronic.

Ah yes, here's the voice of reason. What exactly does my age have to do with anything?

**pickles** · 01-28-2012, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

Ah yes, here's the voice of reason. What exactly does my age have to do with anything?

Cause you're acting like a child. I just wanna know if you have a biological excuse, or just a maturity issue.

WahWahWah!!!! The Ravens didn't fire somebody I wanted them to fire, so they must not give a shit if they win or lose!!!! WahWahWah!!!!

That's you. That's what you sound like.

**steelerhater** · 01-28-2012, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by pickles

Cause you're acting like a child. I just wanna know if you have a biological excuse, or just a maturity issue.

WahWahWah!!!! The Ravens didn't fire somebody I wanted them to fire, so they must not give a shit if they win or lose!!!! WahWahWah!!!!

That's you. That's what you sound like.

hahahaha! This is funny. Who sounds like a child? What's next, I'm rubber, you're glue....?

**pickles** · 01-28-2012, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

hahahaha! This is funny. Who sounds like a child? What's next, I'm rubber, you're glue....?

I'm not surprised a hilarious and ironic reference went sailing over your head. Do you want to continue down this tangent? Or do you want to continue to defend the position that since the Ravens didn't fire CC, they don't give a shit if they win or lose.

**The Fanatic** · 01-28-2012, 11:28 AM

How about you fellas ( I'm assuming you both are fellas) take this little indifference with each other to the private message function?

Gonna close this puppy down as there is already a sizable thread debating the pros and cons of keeping Cam Cameron which is basically what this thread has evolved to.