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    Comrade Obama



    I really hope BHO continues to give speeches with a communism-like tone. All we (the country) would need is a nominee who would take advantage of this to make BHO a "one-termer"

    “We do not begrudge wealth in this country. I want everybody here to do well. We aspire to financial success, but we also understand that we’re not successful just by ourselves

    “We’re successful because somebody started the University of Michigan. We’re successful because somebody made an investment in all the federal research labs that created the internet. We’re successful because we have an outstanding military that costs money. We’re successful because somebody built roads and bridges. And laid broadband lines and these things didn’t just happen on their own. And if we all understand that we’ve got to pay for this stuff, it makes sense for those of us who’ve done best to do our fair share and to try to pass off that bill on to somebody else, that’s not right. That’s not who we are.”




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    In what universe is what you quoted communist in tone?

    He's dead fucking right that no one in this country can be successful in a vacuum, we all rely on the benefits provided by our taxes.

    Or if you want, you can try to tell me that you don't benefit from roads, police, firefighters, the military and coast guard, state schools, publicly funded waste management, sewage systems, farm subsidies, and a slew of other public programs?

    The degree which each person should have to pay into those systems is a valid debate, but the idea that everyone has to pay at least a part into them is "communistic in nature" is utterly wrong.


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    Re: Comrade Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    In what universe is what you quoted communist in tone?

    He's dead fucking right that no one in this country can be successful in a vacuum, we all rely on the benefits provided by our taxes.
    This is not just about this speech, when taken into account all the things he’s said and believes, what I see here is not about what we pay taxes for, it’s you couldn’t be successful without Government. You couldn't be successful unless other people paid their taxes for roads for you to drive to work. The line “those of us who've done best to do our fair share” i.e. give a little back…

    Or if you want, you can try to tell me that you don't benefit from roads, police, firefighters, the military and coast guard, state schools, publicly funded waste management, sewage systems, farm subsidies, and a slew of other public programs?
    Ease up their Capt. Assumption…. I never said that. He acts like the people who are successful haven’t contributed to those things, just like I have.

    The degree which each person should have to pay into those systems is a valid debate, but the idea that everyone has to pay at least a part into them is "communistic in nature" is utterly wrong.
    The degree which each person should have to pay into these things is not a valid debate. The degree is the same amount or percentage of what they make. Either we are all created equally or were not. I am not better or worse a person than you no matter how much I make, I should not be taxed more or less than you because of my income. Our percentage we pay should be the same, because we are equal.

    But I don’t feel he’s talking about just taxes, I feel he thinks you’re great because Government as if Government came first and then people could be successful and not the other way around.




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    Re: Comrade Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    The degree which each person should have to pay into these things is not a valid debate. The degree is the same amount or percentage of what they make. Either we are all created equally or were not. I am not better or worse a person than you no matter how much I make, I should not be taxed more or less than you because of my income. Our percentage we pay should be the same, because we are equal.
    I'll get to your other points after work but I just wanted to single this out.

    If you honestly think there is NO DEBATE about how much we should each be paying in taxes because it's so self evident to you that we should be paying a flat tax rate then you're exhibiting an incredible amount of ignorance about what that would mean to the vast majority of people in this country, likely even you.

    A flat tax would be MASSIVELY regressive, it would never work without painfully raising the tax rate of the lowest earning groups. The idea that those who can afford to pay more shouldn't have to isn't equality, its a poor understanding of math.
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    Re: Comrade Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    I'll get to your other points after work but I just wanted to single this out.

    If you honestly think there is NO DEBATE about how much we should each be paying in taxes because it's so self evident to you that we should be paying a flat tax rate then you're exhibiting an incredible amount of ignorance about what that would mean to the vast majority of people in this country, likely even you.

    A flat tax would be MASSIVELY regressive, it would never work without painfully raising the tax rate of the lowest earning groups. The idea that those who can afford to pay more shouldn't have to isn't equality, its a poor understanding of math.
    So let me get this straight. If I make 60,000 a year and you make 40,000 I should pay 25% and you should pay 20%?




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    Go look up the words "progressive tax" "regressive tax" and then google "why a flat tax won't work" and get back to me.
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    Re: Comrade Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I really hope BHO continues to give speeches with a communism-like tone. All we (the country) would need is a nominee who would take advantage of this to make BHO a "one-termer"
    Obama's speech was well-received and bumped him in the polls...especially with working-class, non-college educated moderates. If you think it was "communism-like", you need to get out more.








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    Galen - you mean those bogus polls you posted

    on Scout where OBY got a bump?

    As 12th said:

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    Rasmussen does not even put NM in play - Obama comfortably. Some convenient states you left out:

    FL: Romney +1
    OH: Romney +2
    IA: Romney +1
    CO: toss-up at 45-45

    A state that went Obama in 2008 has already been ceded back to the Repubs - IN.
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    12th forgot to mention that OH and Fla are the
    biggest battleground states with 47 points
    between them.

    He also forgot to say Mitt is getting NC which went to the hamster.



    Rasmussen, the most accurate poll as 12th said on scout and I've been saying here for years has Mitt up today.

    So much for the bump.
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    Re: Comrade Obama

    Ah...ah...ahem....

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...is_shared.html

    "Too many folks still don't have a sense that tomorrow will be better than today. And so, the question in this election is which way do we go?" President Obama asked at a fundraiser in Chicago on Sunday.

    "Do we go forward towards a new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared?" Obama asked. "Or do we go backward to the same policies that got us in the mess in the first place?"

    "I believe we have to go forward," Obama said. "I believe we have to keep working to create an America where no matter who you are, no matter what you look like, no matter where you come from, no matter what your last name is, no matter who you love, you can make it here if you try. That's what's at stake in November. That's what is why I am running for a second term as president of the United States of America."
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    OBYs been speaking in socialistic/commie tones since day 1 and the country still voted him in and even the SC with our own guys in charge upheld O BUMMER CARE.

    He's gonna win again. The liberals don't care if this is communism or not, so long as the liberal wins.



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    Re: Comrade Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    OBYs been speaking in socialistic/commie tones since day 1 and the country still voted him in and even the SC with our own guys in charge upheld O BUMMER CARE.

    He's gonna win again. The liberals don't care if this is communism or not, so long as the liberal wins.



    KRUCHEVE SAID WE'D WIN AMERICA OVER. IT WILL TAKE TIME BUT THEY WILL COME OVER.

    IT ONLY TOOK HALF A CENTURY.
    Socialist tones, yes. Coming right out and saying it, not like this...
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    Obama's (and Warren's from whom he stole it) argument is weak and telling. And obviously he is not merely arguing we need to raise taxes (he has made that argument forever), this is something new and much more troubling.

    He implies that his opponents are not only for small-government but rather no-government, which is obviously absurd and false.

    He implies that any country with roads and a military and schools would produce the same level of success, when we can find examples (the Soviet Union, e.g.) that disprove this simplification.

    He ignores every and all reasons (in the argument) why people are successful other than "because of the federal government" (see his creepy Life of Julia propaganda).

    And most importantly, he implies that the wealthy are not already paying their fair share, as they are obviously already paying for the things he mentions. His argument could (and probably would) be given even if the top 10% of taxpayers paid 95% of the federal income taxes instead of the 70% that they pay now. If not, why not?

    It is one thing to want to raise taxes on the nebulously defined "wealthy" and spend, spend, spend more on your constituents (this is the established, standard liberal dogma), but it is entirely another thing to try to diminish the accomplishments of the hard-working innovators and entrepreneurs who have made the country what it is. And to do it by insinuating that they selfishly believe that they had no help along the way, when nothing could be further from the truth (every major accomplishment almost always results in the accomplisher selflessly thanking a long list of people who helped them get to where they are), is poor form.

    This is just part of a class warfare strategy that Obama is forced to employ due to having a dismal record of 'accomplishments' in his first term. He does not want to (cannot) talk about Stimulus disaster or Obamacare or job creation because in all areas the public has viewed them failures. He is left with limited options. And divide and conquer class/racial/ethnic/gender warfare is one. And sleazily smearing your opponent is another. This is textbook Alinsky "by any means necessary" politics. And it is working fairly well, all things considered.




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