HHS Says Religious-Affiliated Organizations Must Cover Contraception

[AirFlacco]

That's why his own profession says he has as much common sense as a dog.




Keep up with the class? I'm the one that found them and the link says the
church still won't accept the compromise. A key Cath group does not mean the Bishops
will sign off yet.

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The move, based on state models, will almost certainly not satisfy bishops and other religious leaders since it will preserve the goal of women employees having their birth control fully covered by health insurance.
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And the church is still paying for it because it's the church's insurance company.

[NCRAVEN]

The only folks complaining now are the suckers who think their freedoms are being taken away by providing healthcare to women that they WANT. How dare women ask for equal access to healthcare

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/hea...ntrol-4211.htm

Only you can decide what is best for you. And we are here to help. A staff member at your local Planned Parenthood health center can discuss all of your birth control options with you and help you get the birth control you need.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-center/

Abortion
Birth Control
Emergency Contraception (Morning After Pill)
General Health Care
HIV Testing
LGBT Services
Men’s Health Care
Pregnancy Testing & Services
STD Testing, Treatment & Vaccines
Women’s Health Care

Yeah, these poor, poor ...POOR neglected women

[AirFlacco]

And speaking of Bishops and keeping in tuned to my Fri link, Timothy Dolan, President
of Catholic Bishops for US said Sun in Italy that he is still opposed to it while thankful
that OBY tried to compromise so while some Sister in Galen's link say's it's OK, the
Bishops still oppose.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...go-far-enough/

My links are spot on.

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“The bad news is that the terribly restrictive mandate still stands,” he said.
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And don't forget about all the catholic owned insurance companies.

They will now have 2 choices. To either NOT comply with this commie health care mandate and be fined and prosecuted by OBYs Communist thuggery or shut down, fire all their employees and put all their customers out on the street and onto Medicaid rolls.

[Galen Sevinne]

Galen couldn't take the reality anymore so he storms off from the discussion and kicks the dog so to speak, with that Trap insults. That's rich. Hope you feel better about yourself.

Maybe you sign up to be a moderator?

[Sirdowski]

Maybe you sign up to be a moderator?

You made me blush.

[AirFlacco]

And he can't answer NCs recemt points or mine.

Galen is the dog getting his ass kicked once again.

But upon further review, maybe OBY isn't caving in at all. He's still getting what he wants.

FROM RUSH:


He's still getting everything he wants! He's getting mandated federal funding of abortion services -- and, in the process, trampling all over the Constitution. The right to religious liberty in this context is unequivocal in our country. It's in the Constitution!

Since when...? I'm gonna ask this again: Since when does a president have the power to threaten to issue a rule gutting religious liberty and then claims the power to make compromises on that issue? This is how, folks, we lose our liberty. This is how we lose the Constitution. The suggestion that Obama has the power to alter that which he doesn't have the power to do in the first place, is simply unacceptable. The first thing he does he doesn't have the power to do. He doesn't have, constitutionally, the power to mandate that religious organizations provide -- free of charge or otherwise -- any abortion-related service with which they disagree. He doesn't have the authority. Then to supposedly correct it, he then engages in more authority that he doesn't have!

AND MR UBER - That's how we lose the rest of our freedoms like the 2d amendment and even the 1st.

And as Ann Coulter says - He's using insurance as communism. If he can
make us buy insurance, he can make us buy anything at all like cars from
his company - GM - Gov't Motors.

[Galen Sevinne]

And he can't answer NCs recemt points or mine.

Galen is the dog getting his ass kicked once again.

But upon further review, maybe OBY isn't caving in at all. He's still getting what he wants.

FROM RUSH:


He's still getting everything he wants!

NC's question is irrelevant. Trap, you haven't said anything worth remarking on that isn't 3 day old news. You are so far behind by now, you will need a tutor to keep up.

In one sentence you point out how I am getting my ass kicked and one line later, you have a moment of clarity (what was that like for you Trap?) and realize that I am completely right in showing how Obama is still providing equal healthcare to women in light of all the fake outrage from the right.

You know what this is all about now. The right knows that the Affordable Healthcare Act is solid and will pass through SCOTUS and they are fucked now. They only play left on Obamacare is this little whiny, 1950's era morality on birth control and the quickly slipping GOP is doing whatever they can to find a place to criticize Obama. Its a hail mary (on contraceptives ). Its over fellas. Santorum has a 15 point lead on Romney in some poll (didn't look it up but heard about it through a friend). If Sweater Vest Altar Boy wins the primary, Obama wins by minimum 10% popular vote - you watch.

Obama continues to be three steps ahead of everyone else trying to play. Go get your kerosine tanks filled boys.
,

[Galen Sevinne]

You made me blush.

Seriously you have mastered the one line irrelevent response and are conservative. Throw in a couple "Bachmann for Prez" and act really worried about your rapidly eroding Liberties and you're the perfect profile.

Just think next time you are upset about my handling of Trap, you can just lock the thread down instead of shaking a finger at me. Just think about how high and mighty you will feel!

[NCRAVEN]

NC's question is irrelevant. Trap, you haven't said anything worth remarking on that isn't 3 day old news. You are so far behind by now, you will need a tutor to keep up.

How is that question irrelevant?

Obama came out Friday and said insurance companies will now be forced to offer as part of their plans contraceptives and birth control for free.

So when you made the comment
"Its irrelevant now though as Obama has found a way to offer contraceptives to those 85%+ Catholic women who take them anyway without threatening the conservatives sense of freedom, liberty and all that right wing glory you guys cling to. "

I asked you how would you like the POTUS telling you that you're required to offer your patients services for free?

You're right that doesn't threaten freedom or liberty at all (que sarcastic response from Galen that still doesn't answer the question in 3,2,...)

[Galen Sevinne]

How is that question irrelevant?

Obama came out Friday and said insurance companies will now be forced to offer as part of their plans contraceptives and birth control for free.

Its irrelevant because you don't seem to understand what the compromise is accomplishing because you are too stuck on the culture war aspect of the problem - no surprise there. Obama threaded the needle again on a sticky issue.

Obama is mandating the insurance companies to provide contraceptives now instead of the quasi-religious (at best) groups. He is saying the insurance companies must pick up the tab which is a nice way of saying the quasi-religious agencies will be footing the bill for the services that the vast majority of their employers use and have polled in favor of. It is how America works, right? You want something, you pay for it.

This solves the problem of alleviating the quasi-religious groups of being the body that provides the contraception that most all of its employees (religious or not) will use by giving that responsibility to the insurance companies to provide it. The cost won't be absorbed by the insurance company, it will be passed on to the whomever is the subscriber. There is nothing free so when you ask me how would I feel about being mandated to give free services by Obama it reeks of a classic false equivalency argument. You either are extremely naive or think I am stupid enough to fall for a gimmick of an argument.

You wonder why I "fail" to answer so many questions on this forum proposed towards me. This is a good example.

There was a Fox News poll today showing 58% of Catholics supporting the contraceptive mandate and 37% not. And you can bet the question was worded like; "Do you support the black muslim President stripping you of your freedoms and liberties and shoving his elitist liberal agenda of promiscuity down your throats with the use mandated birth control guaranteed to kill your precious spermies and eggs? or do you stand up for the freedom of what has made America exceptional and the greatest country in the history of man and not support this breaking of your will so that you can make your own decsions as a true American patriot?"

Still 58% support...37% nope.

So still looking for your birth control answer about your teenage daughter hypothetical Mr. Culture Warrior.

[NCRAVEN]

You're right that doesn't threaten freedom or liberty at all (que sarcastic response from Galen that still doesn't answer the question in 3,2,...)

Close... you didn't go the sarcasm route... just trying to change the subject.

[AirFlacco]

I asked you how would you like the POTUS telling you that you're required to offer your patients services for free?

You're right that doesn't threaten freedom or liberty at all (que sarcastic response from Galen that still doesn't answer the question in 3,2,...)[/QUOTE]


Thanks NC. Once again it's Galen getting his ass kicked in here.

I posted the original news from Fri about Bishops being upset.

Then I posted their comments on Sun and they still won't accept the compromise according to the President of Catholic Bishops
for the US.

So my posts were spot on and Galen can't counter them or reply to your questions.

Cause he doesn't know the answers.

And dont forget what I said that Galen ignored, the Catholic owned insurance companies will have to go out of business
and lay people off.

More lost jobs for the economy that isn't even an economic issue.

OBY THE DICTATOR JUST DOESN'T CARE.


And as far as Galen handling of me, even his own profession says he has as much common sense as a dog.

[NCRAVEN]

So my posts were spot on and Galen can't counter them or reply to your questions.

Cause he doesn't know the answers.

And dont forget what I said that Galen ignored, the Catholic owned insurance companies will have to go out of business
and lay people off.

Don't let him fool you AF.

It's not that he can't answer, he chooses not to. If he did he would have to admit the flaws in his beliefs.

I mean how could you answer my last question with out exposing the flaws. I'd imagine the answer would go something like this:
That is flat out wrong,for the POTUS to come and tell me how to run MY business. Him telling me I have to give things for free to some patients is just going to have the cost passed on to others who don't need those services, driving up my prices and potentially putting me out of business.

See, doing that would mean you're a hypocrite if you had a problem with the Government telling you what to do, but being okay with them having full power to do what ever they want to others

[AirFlacco]

Great post and point.


Lol

[Galen Sevinne]

Don't let him fool you AF.

It's not that he can't answer, he chooses not to. If he did he would have to admit the flaws in his beliefs.

You do understand what is meant by "false equivalence" right? Just checking.

[AirFlacco]

Give it up Galen. You're getting your ass kicked in here.

Rush was sure right, OBY didn't cave. He got what he wanted.

Today the WH says there's nothing new about what he announced on Fri.
It's the same result but there are two Cath groups, one Galen mentioned
that liked it even though it changed nothing.

Meanwhile, the Bishops smelled a rat and still oppose.

This is tooooo funnnnnnyy. Link says OBY announced a new policy
but now says there's nothing new about it. It just speeds
things up.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pres...ief-staff-says

[Galen Sevinne]

Okay, then answer this. How would you feel about the POTUS telling you what services you offer to your clients? Forget the free part.

Well let's think of something that around 85% of my clients would ask for.....ummmmmmm....hmmmmmmm...thinking......................................

......................okay, I would guess that 85% of my clients might ask for some type of relaxation technique. Maybe they would ask for a meditation practice or some type of mindfulness training. I would guess this idea might get 85% approval and it is something insurance companies do not currently cover as far as a standard psychotherapy hour. Does the analogy work for you? In some ways it also taps into the spirtual realm as it is an Eastern approach to spirituality.

So let's review the analogy for equivalence:

1. 85% of my clients would probably want this benefit.

2. Insurance currently doesn't cover it as a benefit so they would have to pick it up as a new benefit.

3. There is even a religious/spiritual quality to the practice or at least it taps into that realm as does contraception.

So how would I feel about this? Including the fact that insurance companies (ie. client's premium) are going to foot the bill. How would I feel about Obama mandating this on my practice?

Where do I sign up?

[NCRAVEN]

Playing stupid to pretend to miss the point of the question I see. Moving on.

[Galen Sevinne]

Playing stupid to pretend to miss the point of the question I see. Moving on.

Sorry dude but you can try to whittle this thing down to something that fits into your rigid little black and white world but its really not fitting there too well. In the end Obama is mandating something 85% want and are probably willing to pay for through their insurance premiums. The Church's role in it has been diminished to the satisfaction of most everyone except some 75 year old Bishops who are well past thier times as contemporary figures. The world moves on and you might as well hang it up and move on with it.

[AirFlacco]

That 85% stat is wrong and another stat pulled out
of Galen's ass.

This Rasmussen poll shows 54% favor repeal of O BUMMER
CARE.

That doesn't come out to 85%, except out of Galen's
ass. Nothing but Galen BS.

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the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 54% of Likely Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law, while 41% oppose repeal. These figures include 39% who Strongly Favor repeal and 27% who Strongly Oppose it.
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Galen's ass is kicked again.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ealth_care_law