Ravens Make Substantial Offer for Grubbs

**GOTA** · 03-12-2012, 02:13 PM

No details on what that really means but both sides acknowledge that it is a solid offer. The cap number listed in the article is way off since they are using the PFT number but I don't see that as a reflection on the Grubbs information

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...,7008854.story

This is probably pretty obvious, but it’s important enough to mention that the next 32 hours will be huge in the Ravens’ quest to retain Pro Bowl left guard Ben Grubbs. The Ravens have made what both sides have acknowledged was a substantial offer to Grubbs to convince him to eschew free agency and remain in Baltimore. All indications are that there isn’t much leeway to expand on the offer. Free agents aren’t allowed to negotiate with other teams until 4 p.m. tomorrow, but you can bet that Grubbs’ representative, Pat Dye, has already gotten a good idea about what teams are interested in his client and what they’re willing to pay. If Grubbs goes to free agency, that is a good indication that there will be another offer out there that surpasses the Ravens’ bid. And I wouldn’t be totally surprised if the Ravens then pull their offer and move on from Grubbs. That’s just my speculation based on them knowing they won’t win a bidding war with where they are with their salary cap situation.

**arnie_uk** · 03-12-2012, 02:16 PM

OT but do you write for the sun or did you copy that whole article?

Originally Posted by GOTA

No details on what that really means but both sides acknowledge that it is a solid offer. The cap number listed in the article is way off since they are using the PFT number but I don't see that as a reflection on the Grubbs information

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...,7008854.story

This is probably pretty obvious, but it’s important enough to mention that the next 32 hours will be huge in the Ravens’ quest to retain Pro Bowl left guard Ben Grubbs. The Ravens have made what both sides have acknowledged was a substantial offer to Grubbs to convince him to eschew free agency and remain in Baltimore. All indications are that there isn’t much leeway to expand on the offer. Free agents aren’t allowed to negotiate with other teams until 4 p.m. tomorrow, but you can bet that Grubbs’ representative, Pat Dye, has already gotten a good idea about what teams are interested in his client and what they’re willing to pay. If Grubbs goes to free agency, that is a good indication that there will be another offer out there that surpasses the Ravens’ bid. And I wouldn’t be totally surprised if the Ravens then pull their offer and move on from Grubbs. That’s just my speculation based on them knowing they won’t win a bidding war with where they are with their salary cap situation.

**wickedsolo** · 03-12-2012, 02:20 PM

I would be absolutely thrilled if Grubbs were to somehow stay.

**Iscull** · 03-12-2012, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I would be absolutely thrilled if Grubbs were to somehow stay.

I would agree, only if his toe is 100 % healthy.

**GOTA** · 03-12-2012, 02:29 PM

The Fanatic,

Just for you to know I only copied the first couple and last couple paragraphs. I left out the whole middle for the reason you shortened it.

**GOTA** · 03-12-2012, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by arnie_uk

OT but do you write for the sun or did you copy that whole article?

Neither. It was about twice as long. Check the link.

**arnie_uk** · 03-12-2012, 02:37 PM

awh was just wondering because the first time it had teh copyright ssymbol and alll at the bottom, so was giving you a heads up lol

Originally Posted by GOTA

Neither. It was about twice as long. Check the link.

**RavenScallywag** · 03-12-2012, 02:48 PM

I heard hints of this Friday on 105.7...basically, the Ravens were trying to make a big pitch to Grubbs and today, they'd give him one last, big offer. If he didn't take it, they'd let him test the market and see if he comes back.

Now we wait and see...

**Corey** · 03-12-2012, 03:19 PM

If Grubbs doesn't sign today he's gone. IMO, "testing the market" is really just codeword for, I can get a ton more somewhere else.

**RavenScallywag** · 03-12-2012, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Corey

If Grubbs doesn't sign today he's gone. IMO, "testing the market" is really just codeword for, I can get a ton more somewhere else.

Not necessarily, his health may be enough concern that many teams give him a lesser deal to offset the risk of his toe being re-injured.

**landspeed** · 03-12-2012, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

Not necessarily, his health may be enough concern that many teams give him a lesser deal to offset the risk of his toe being re-injured.

....before this year he had never missed a game.

**JustaslowZ06** · 03-12-2012, 04:08 PM

I personally just really don't agree with this a all. What is a substantial offer? More than Yanda? The argument could be easily made that Yanda is better. Can you get someone else into that position at a cheaper price, albeit even if it is vet journeyman that you have for a couple years than gotta do something else.

The 2 most important pieces of your line by far are C and LT. And we currently aren't spending any substantial money there, nor do we even have anyone in one of the positions and a guy who takes plays off at the other.

My argumnt is if you're gonna "invest" in a position I can see a bigger need than LG right now. Just saying.

**BcRaven** · 03-12-2012, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

I personally just really don't agree with this a all. What is a substantial offer? More than Yanda? The argument could be easily made that Yanda is better. Can you get someone else into that position at a cheaper price, albeit even if it is vet journeyman that you have for a couple years than gotta do something else.

The 2 most important pieces of your line by far are C and LT. And we currently aren't spending any substantial money there, nor do we even have anyone in one of the positions and a guy who takes plays off at the other.

My argumnt is if you're gonna "invest" in a position I can see a bigger need than LG right now. Just saying.

Man I agree with you. Don't we have Justin Boren (OG) already? Not saying he's as good as Grubbs, but a 2nd year man with a very low $alary... Bc

**goodandfast** · 03-12-2012, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

I personally just really don't agree with this a all. What is a substantial offer? More than Yanda? The argument could be easily made that Yanda is better. Can you get someone else into that position at a cheaper price, albeit even if it is vet journeyman that you have for a couple years than gotta do something else.

The 2 most important pieces of your line by far are C and LT. And we currently aren't spending any substantial money there, nor do we even have anyone in one of the positions and a guy who takes plays off at the other.

My argumnt is if you're gonna "invest" in a position I can see a bigger need than LG right now. Just saying.

I don't think it is a situation where you compare him against Yanda. Grubbs has started from Day 1 as a rookie and has never been the weak link along the line. Yanda got more press because he rose up through the ranks and was an underdog/fan-favorite. All Grubbs has done is be consistently, albeit quietly, above-average from the minute he put on a Ravens uniform. I think the team has to do everything in their power (acknowledging that mortgaging the future for him is out of the question) to bring him back.

**ravensnhokies** · 03-12-2012, 04:20 PM

I think that Grubbs wants to come back. Why wouldnt you want to come back to a great organization that you are already comfortable in??

Dye will go out, probably get a better offer, but come back to the Ravens to see if they want to match it. The ball will be in the Ravens court. Now whether the Ravens view it as worth the $$... Who knows?? Jason Brown was obviously not, and the Ravens were pretty astute with that assessment.

**JustaslowZ06** · 03-12-2012, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by goodandfast

I don't think it is a situation where you compare him against Yanda. Grubbs has started from Day 1 as a rookie and has never been the weak link along the line. Yanda got more press because he rose up through the ranks and was an underdog/fan-favorite. All Grubbs has done is be consistently, albeit quietly, above-average from the minute he put on a Ravens uniform. I think the team has to do everything in their power (acknowledging that mortgaging the future for him is out of the question) to bring him back.

If this was Madden I say absolutely bring him back, and hell go get some probowl LT while you're at it, BUT in the era of the cap and needing to spread money around you gotta look at return on your investment. It's nothing personal, it's BUSINESS. Nothing against Grubbs, and I bet he's the second most sought after G in this offseason and deserves to get paid, just somewhere else.

**Lee Van Cleef** · 03-12-2012, 04:28 PM

I'm gonna be interested to see what money Evan Mathis gets, very good LG but doesn't get the pub that Nicks and Grubbs do. Should be interesting.

**pslholder96** · 03-12-2012, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef

I'm gonna be interested to see what money Evan Mathis gets, very good LG but doesn't get the pub that Nicks and Grubbs do. Should be interesting.

Who's Evan Mathis?

**Iscull** · 03-12-2012, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

Who's Evan Mathis?

Eagle's guard.

**Brtnder81** · 03-13-2012, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by goodandfast

I don't think it is a situation where you compare him against Yanda. Grubbs has started from Day 1 as a rookie and has never been the weak link along the line. Yanda got more press because he rose up through the ranks and was an underdog/fan-favorite. All Grubbs has done is be consistently, albeit quietly, above-average from the minute he put on a Ravens uniform. I think the team has to do everything in their power (acknowledging that mortgaging the future for him is out of the question) to bring him back.

didnt Yanda start at RT his rookie year before tearing his ACL? and has played RT and RG and played well and done what ever the team has needed. Yanda is better then Grubbs