NFL Guards - Do'h Not Panic

[The Fanatic]

Before some of you flip out because Mathis flipped us the bird and now we're screwed and Ozzie is clueless and doesn't have a back up plan, or plan in general at all.....
I started thinking that since Mathis is choosing to roost back in Philthy, then the next plan is the draft which we were probably doing anyway regardless if we sign/signed someone to begin with.

Here is a portion of the top guards in the NFL, and where they were drafted

I didn't put any first rounders because I doubt were spending our first round pick on one, and quite frankly, most of them weren't first rounders to begin with.

Point being here is that it seems most of the quality NFL guards playing today were taken in the mid to latter rounds if not later, including the guy that just signed the huge contract in Tampa.

Somehow, I think we'll be OK when it's time to snap the opening play in September

Marshal Yanda - round 3
Carl Nicks - round 5
Evan Mathis - round 3
Josh Sitton - round 4
Brian Waters - undrafted
Jake Scott - round 5
Andy Levitre - round 2
Chad Rinehart - round 3
Jahri Evans - round 4
Jeremy Zuttah - round 3
Richie Incognito - round 3
Mike Brisiel - undrafted
Brandon Moore - undrafted
Stephen Peterman - round 3
Rob Sims - round 4
Chris Snee - round 2

Bonus - past players we drafted who were big contributors in the interior offensive line.

Jason Brown - round 4
Edwin Mulitalo - round 4
Chris Chester - round 2
Mike Flynn - undrafted
Casey Rabach - round 3
Jeff Mitchell - round 5


I think we're going to be OK

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Before some of you flip out because Mathis flipped us the bird and now we're screwed and Ozzie is clueless and doesn't have a back up plan, or plan in general at all.....
I started thinking that since Mathis is choosing to roost back in Philthy, then the next plan is the draft which we were probably doing anyway regardless if we sign/signed someone to begin with.

Here is a portion of the top guards in the NFL, and where they were drafted

I didn't put any first rounders because I doubt were spending our first round pick on one, and quite frankly, most of them weren't first rounders to begin with.

Point being here is that it seems most of the quality NFL guards playing today were taken in the mid to latter rounds if not later, including the guy that just signed the huge contract in Tampa.

Somehow, I think we'll be OK when it's time to snap the opening play in September

Marshal Yanda - round 3
Carl Nicks - round 5
Evan Mathis - round 3
Josh Sitton - round 4
Brian Waters - undrafted
Jake Scott - round 5
Andy Levitre - round 2
Chad Rinehart - round 3
Jahri Evans - round 4
Jeremy Zuttah - round 3
Richie Incognito - round 3
Mike Brisiel - undrafted
Brandon Moore - undrafted
Stephen Peterman - round 3
Rob Sims - round 4
Chris Snee - round 2

Bonus - past players we drafted who were big contributors in the interior offensive line.

Jason Brown - round 4
Edwin Mulitalo - round 4
Chris Chester - round 2
Mike Flynn - undrafted
Casey Rabach - round 3
Jeff Mitchell - round 5


I think we're going to be OK

Good to see some common sense lol

[Lee Van Cleef]

Silatolu looks like a good prospect. So I understand anyway.

[BcRaven]

Of course we could also mention Adam Terry (2nd round), Oneil Cousins (3rd), and David hale (4th), but why be pessimistic? BTW, why isn't anyone mentioning Justin Boren (OG 6' 2" 325 lbs) UDFA on the Ravens roster? ... Bc

[Dont Know]

Jason Brown - round 4

Speaking of him, is he available?

[purplepoe]

Speaking of him, is he available?

Yup.

Birk re-signing pretty much ended the chance of Brown returning.

PP

[Ravenswintitle]

Yup.

Birk re-signing pretty much ended the chance of Brown returning.

PP

I'm not so sure although IMO I'd rather see them go another direction

[RavNMadMan]

Before some of you flip out because Mathis flipped us the bird and now we're screwed and Ozzie is clueless and doesn't have a back up plan, or plan in general at all.....
I started thinking that since Mathis is choosing to roost back in Philthy, then the next plan is the draft which we were probably doing anyway regardless if we sign/signed someone to begin with.

Here is a portion of the top guards in the NFL, and where they were drafted

I didn't put any first rounders because I doubt were spending our first round pick on one, and quite frankly, most of them weren't first rounders to begin with.

Point being here is that it seems most of the quality NFL guards playing today were taken in the mid to latter rounds if not later, including the guy that just signed the huge contract in Tampa.

Somehow, I think we'll be OK when it's time to snap the opening play in September

Marshal Yanda - round 3
Carl Nicks - round 5
Evan Mathis - round 3
Josh Sitton - round 4
Brian Waters - undrafted
Jake Scott - round 5
Andy Levitre - round 2
Chad Rinehart - round 3
Jahri Evans - round 4
Jeremy Zuttah - round 3
Richie Incognito - round 3
Mike Brisiel - undrafted
Brandon Moore - undrafted
Stephen Peterman - round 3
Rob Sims - round 4
Chris Snee - round 2

Bonus - past players we drafted who were big contributors in the interior offensive line.

Jason Brown - round 4
Edwin Mulitalo - round 4
Chris Chester - round 2
Mike Flynn - undrafted
Casey Rabach - round 3
Jeff Mitchell - round 5


I think we're going to be OK

I agree 100%. Unfortunately it seems like the "sky is falling" squad is just getting warmed up.

[steelerhater]

Before some of you flip out because Mathis flipped us the bird and now we're screwed and Ozzie is clueless and doesn't have a back up plan, or plan in general at all.....
I started thinking that since Mathis is choosing to roost back in Philthy, then the next plan is the draft which we were probably doing anyway regardless if we sign/signed someone to begin with.

Here is a portion of the top guards in the NFL, and where they were drafted

I didn't put any first rounders because I doubt were spending our first round pick on one, and quite frankly, most of them weren't first rounders to begin with.

Point being here is that it seems most of the quality NFL guards playing today were taken in the mid to latter rounds if not later, including the guy that just signed the huge contract in Tampa.

Somehow, I think we'll be OK when it's time to snap the opening play in September

Marshal Yanda - round 3
Carl Nicks - round 5
Evan Mathis - round 3
Josh Sitton - round 4
Brian Waters - undrafted
Jake Scott - round 5
Andy Levitre - round 2
Chad Rinehart - round 3
Jahri Evans - round 4
Jeremy Zuttah - round 3
Richie Incognito - round 3
Mike Brisiel - undrafted
Brandon Moore - undrafted
Stephen Peterman - round 3
Rob Sims - round 4
Chris Snee - round 2

Bonus - past players we drafted who were big contributors in the interior offensive line.

Jason Brown - round 4
Edwin Mulitalo - round 4
Chris Chester - round 2
Mike Flynn - undrafted
Casey Rabach - round 3
Jeff Mitchell - round 5


I think we're going to be OK

This may be true, but I don't like the idea of counting on a rookie to come in and start right away. Sure, it happens, but not too often. I don't think anyone could argue that our offensive line was our weak link down the stretch last season and, as of right now, its actually worse than it was the end of last season. I'm not saying that Ozzie isn't going to make the necessary improvements, but the Ravens can be a little stubborn at times, like the way they insisted that Oher was our left tackle when just about everyone else knew he was garbage at that position. Now, he may be showing that he's garbage at right tackle as well.

[don raven]

This may be true, but I don't like the idea of counting on a rookie to come in and start right away. Sure, it happens, but not too often. I don't think anyone could argue that our offensive line was our weak link down the stretch last season and, as of right now, its actually worse than it was the end of last season. I'm not saying that Ozzie isn't going to make the necessary improvements, but the Ravens can be a little stubborn at times, like the way they insisted that Oher was our left tackle when just about everyone else knew he was garbage at that position. Now, he may be showing that he's garbage at right tackle as well.

With the exception of Jon Ogden, Ozzie has had a philosophy of putting resources in those players who touch the ball .i.e. skill positions. I ,on the other hand have always believed that you build the O and D lines first . It used to be that you built from the center out but with the new rules,it makes sense to build from outside to inside on O and inside to outside on D ,that is , protect the QB and stop the run. I just hope that Oz can put something together, otherwise Joe will get killed next season.The teams is starting to look like it's got a lot of holes. Our young players have to come through or we are toast.

[ActualSpamBot]

When I've got the time I'm going to pull up all the posts from this time last year that talked about how much worse we were as a team compared to the previous season.

Maybe some of you need to see your own words to understand how often this tired refrain that Oz is letting the team fall apart around him gets trotted out during Free Agency and immediately after the draft. Yet somehow we have consistently fielded a team that can legitimately compete for the Superbowl.


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[RockGod]

When I've got the time I'm going to pull up all the posts from this time last year that talked about how much worse we were as a team compared to the previous season.

Maybe some of you need to see your own words to understand how often this tired refrain that Oz is letting the team fall apart around him gets trotted out during Free Agency and immediately after the draft. Yet somehow we have consistently fielded a team that can legitimately compete for the Superbowl. [/url]

But never make it.

[Jayc00]

The sky isn't falling, but if anyone is comfortable with the current state of the O line you're fooling yourself. As many good guards that were taken in the draft there are double the not so good that were taken. Hate to be devil's advocate, but it's not just something you can just say "we'll be ok".

[RavenScallywag]

My only concern with that plan is that we've never really had a 3rd round or later rookie come in and be a strong contributor at OL, save maybe for Yanda. Relying on a draft pick having an immediate impact is truly Russian Roulette. You could get Yanda, or you could get Cousins.

Sitting back and ranking the options we have, here's what I'd like to see:

1. Gallery for a 2-3 year deal
2. Jason Brown (as OG) for a 2-3 year deal
3. Oher/Jah Reid as OG
4. Andre Gurode for a 2-3 year deal

[ActualSpamBot]

Of course no one is comfortable with the line as it is. But the season doesn't start tomorrow. Free agency is only a few days in, we still have the draft, OTAs, a supplementary draft, and several rounds of cuts before the roster will even be 85% accurate to what it will look like on opening day.

To hit the panic button now makes zero sense and complaining about the current state of the roster is akin to complaining that your steak wasn't properly cooked before the cow hits the slaughterhouse.


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[RavenScallywag]

Today was the 1st day that worry started to creep in. Everyone else we lost, we have a plan in place...For Grubbs, Mathis was our plan.

Doesn't mean the sky is falling. But that is probably the first "loss" I'd credit Ozzie with in free agency this year. Everything else has been kind've voluntary attrition. This was us bringing flowers, candy, and a limo to the date, and the girl still staying with the average guy.

[purplepoe]

I'm not so sure although IMO I'd rather see them go another direction

The Ravens have very little cap space.

They just signed a veteran C in Birk.

Brown wants more money than that.

Pretty safe to say Brown will be signing elsewhere.

PP

[Jayc00]

Again, agreed its not time to hit the panic button, but at the same time it's not time to just sit there and say we'll be ok. Sure the season is a long time away but good players just don't grow on trees. What's left in FA is average at best and depending on a rookie could be dangerous.

It happened with WR after Oz completely ignored the position in the draft, everybody said "we'll be ok" we have D Williams and Mason...then during the season Oh shit we need a WR. Same with CB when the lack luster effort to get one including ignoring the need in the draft, then all of a sudden Oh we're getting toasted we need a CB.

Not saying that they're ignoring the position, but everything's not always going to be alright and just fall into place is all I'm saying.

[Benny8444]

Why is it we ALWAYS have very little cap space when teams like Philly always seem to throw money around????? Are they going to be in a similar situation soon or are we just stupid with the way we sign?

[Benny8444]

What guards are left in FA? Maths wanted to stay in Philly all along we have had players that wanted to stay here and have stayed. bottom line is we have ONE hole in our o-line and still have the draft and later cuts to fill it. The good thing is we dont have other needs so we can focus on the o-line and not other positions like years past.