Romney vs Obama?

[HoustonRaven]

Again, it's all about electoral math, not votes nation wide.

Huckabee bring nothing to the ticket in terms of electoral math. Neither does Gingrich, Huntsmen, Perry, etc.

Alan West gives him a shot at FL as well, but he doesn't have the popularity that Rubio has.

He may also be looking at a younger, less established conservative woman to help in states like Ohio and NC. There are a couple in congress but they are only if Rubio really tells him no.

[NCRAVEN]

Again, it's all about electoral math, not votes nation wide.

Huckabee bring nothing to the ticket in terms of electoral math. Neither does Gingrich, Huntsmen, Perry, etc.

Alan West gives him a shot at FL as well, but he doesn't have the popularity that Rubio has.

He may also be looking at a younger, less established conservative woman to help in states like Ohio and NC. There are a couple in congress but they are only if Rubio really tells him no.

HR, I think we've talked enough for you to know that I know it's about electoral math.

I gave 4 states which Huckabee could help with. I am not saying Huckabee is better than Rubio, just if Rubio said no, Huckabee could get out people who stayed home (neither of us know which states they stayed home in)

I am just trying to say 7 million people stayed home, is there a candidate that can get them out to vote and also get independents...

[AirFlacco]

NC - With all due respect you're wrong but talking about numbers, Islam and Mormonism are the fastest rising religions in the US. The inside Mormon joke is they baptize a new Baptist congregation every week. There are 5M in US and 13M world wide. The LDS is 2d largest religion out side of Roman Catholics in US.

http://www.allaboutmormons.com/number_of_mormons.php

It's not about freedom of religion but what people believe in. No one is stopping Mormonism.
They just don't accept them as a true religion and they have their reasons for calling
them a cult. I can list them in details verse by verse but I won't.



I do have a family member that is Mormon. He's my cousin's boy but when he joined they
sequested him in a safe house for two weeks. No one got in or out. No calls. His mom
couldn't talk to him for two weeks. She had no idea what was going on but she could
surely guess.

When you join the church you go before the board and give a statement of faith and
publicly profess you Christianity and you're in.

I could go on and on and you'll never hear Romney talk about it like you have Santorum
talking about Godly things.

Now as I've stated many times, I might be one of the millions not voting but it has to do
with all Romney's lies and politics like Romney Care and I don't believe he'll repeal
OBY CARE, so like many I can't trust him but if I do vote it's because he'd be better
than OBY. His religion wouldn't stop me. It's his liberal politics.

[HoustonRaven]

HR, I think we've talked enough for you to know that I know it's about electoral math.

I gave 4 states which Huckabee could help with. I am not saying Huckabee is better than Rubio, just if Rubio said no, Huckabee could get out people who stayed home (neither of us know which states they stayed home in)

I am just trying to say 7 million people stayed home, is there a candidate that can get them out to vote and also get independents...

I'm talking about swing states, not nationwide. That 7 Million number is nationwide.

Romney is targeting swing states, not nationally. Ohio, Florida and NC are flush with independents. He needs two of those three.

Huckabee doesn't bring one thing to those three states. Nor does any evangelical type candidate.

So no, IMO, there isn't an evangelical type put there that's going to help in those three states. Nor should there be in a race where Indys will determine the outcome.

[NCRAVEN]

NC - With all due respect you're wrong but talking about numbers, Islam and Mormonism are the fastest rising religions in the US. The inside Mormon joke is they baptize a new Baptist congregation every week. There are 5M in US and 13M world wide. The LDS is 2d largest religion out side of Roman Catholics in US.

http://www.allaboutmormons.com/number_of_mormons.php

It's not about freedom of religion but what people believe in. No one is stopping Mormonism.
They just don't accept them as a true religion and they have their reasons for calling
them a cult. I can list themin details verse by verse but I won't.



I do have a family member that is Mormon. He's my cousin's boy but when he joined they
sequested him in a safe house for two weeks. No one got in or out. No calls. His mom
couldn't talk to him for two weeks. She had no idea what was going on.

When you join the church you go before the board and give a statement of faith and
publicly profess you Christianity and you're in.

I could go on and on and you'll never hear Romney talk about it like you have Santorum
talking about Godly things.

Now as I've stated many times, I might be one of the millions not voting but it has to do
with all Romney's lies and politics like Romney Care and I don't believe he'll repeal
OBY CARE, so like many I can't trust him but if I do vote it's because he'd be better
than OBY. His religion wouldn't stop me. It's his character and politics.

What numbers am I wrong about the 7 million that stayed home? I know I am not wrong about the difference between a religion and a cult. The difference is just how commonly accepted it is - hence the number of followers.

I am not sure what happened to you're cousins boy, maybe he went to the radical morons in Northern Arizona who say they're Mormons so they can have 5 wives. But, I know several Mormons, more than I can count on all fingers and toes. You do not have to go in front of the board. You take some lessons with missionaries (with other people if you chose), get baptized and bada bing you're a Mormon.

But I digress, it may not be about freedom of religion, but it is about religious tolerance. Not accepting another religion cause it differs from yours is ridiculous, but that isn't exclusive to evangelicals.

I'm talking about swing states, not nationwide. That 7 Million number is nationwide.

Right and those 7 million do reside in individual states, and pretty likely ones I pointed out

[AirFlacco]

It's about the Bible NC and what the Bible says and what they say differs from Gods word. We had that discussion on Scout
many years ago. I quoted right out of Brigham Young's discourse
that they believe they become Gods. That is a cult. God said put
not other God before him. Young changed God's word in John 1:12 which says, TO THEM WHO RECIEVE HIM I GIVE THE POWER TO BECOME THE SONS OF GODS.

Brigham Young changed God's word to say: TO THEM WHO RECEIVE HIM I GIVE THE POWER TO BECOME GODS.


You don't know what you're saying unless you're well versed in
the Bible and Mormonism.

Once when my parents were away on vacation I invited two of those guys in the house to discuss Mormonism. When my parents
came home and saw them dad said what were they doing here.

I said I just wanna see how long it takes them to get down to what they really believe and then I'll straightened them out. He said good idea and he sat on the meetings.

It took 6 months for them to get down to the nitty gritty and it's not what the Bible says. In fact they have theiir own bible after
the real Bible says do not add or subtract from God's word. They
do both. There are some that do believe they are Christians. Joel Olsteen says they are but then he says I don't know much about them. So how can he say they are Christians when like you, he doesn't know much about them.

I do.

BTW, when I tried to lead them to receiving Christ as their Lord and Savior they walked out, yet they say the believe in Christ.
Well, the devil believes in Christ too but not like us.

[NCRAVEN]

It's about the Bible NC and what the Bible says and what they say differs from Gods word. We had that discussion on Scout
many years ago. I quoted right out of Brigham Young's discourse
that they believe they become Gods. That is a cult. God said put
not other God before him. Young changed God's word in John 1:12 which says, TO THEM WHO RECIEVE HIM I GIVE THE POWER TO BECOME THE SONS OF GODS.

Brigham Young changed God's word to say: TO THEM WHO RECEIVE HIM I GIVE THE POWER TO BECOME GODS.


You don't know what you're saying unless you're well versed in
the Bible and Mormonism.

Once when my parents were away on vacation I invited two of those guys in the house to discuss Mormonism. When my parents
came home and saw them dad said what were they doing here.

I said I just wanna see how long it takes them to get down to what they really believe and then I'll straightened them out. He said good idea and he sat on the meetings.

It took 6 months for them to get down to the nitty gritty and it's not what the Bible says. In fact they have theiir own bible after
the real Bible says do not add or subtract from God's word. They
do both. There are some that do believe they are Christians. Joel Olsteen says they are but then he says I don't know much about them. So how can he say they are Christians when like you, he doesn't know much about them.

I do.

BTW, when I tried to lead them to receiving Christ as their Lord and Savior they walked out, yet they say the believe in Christ.
Well, the devil believes in Christ too but not like us.

I am versed in Mormonism. And Brigham Young was not the founder that was Joseph Smith. Brigham Young is not the end all be all, he is just more widely known.

Mormons are Christians, they don't have their own bible they have the Book of Mormon, which is what they believe happened in the rest of the world while (not during the exact time) the bible was being written but does not include. As a matter of fact most Book of Mormons and the King James Bible comes in one book.

Mormons are not that different from other branches of Christianity like Baptist, Methodist Catholics etc. SO when I say the difference between a cult and a religion is the number of followers you can't come back and say, well they don't believe in the bible. Neither do Muslims, Buddahist etc. Are the cults? No they are religion.

EDIT: And I believe the quote you're talking about from young acutally says :"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. (John 1:12) "

[Galen Sevinne]

He's awfully cozy with Paul Ryan lately. Obama is opening larger margins in many of the swing states, with women voters and independents. New job data looks good again and the lowest new jobless claims in four years will bolster the economic recovery news. Without some catastrophe, Romney will need a hail mary for a VP. Last time you guys went for the hail mary, you all came up with the biggest joke candidate in the history of american politics. The only demographic Romney appeals to are the old white men.

You all better start scurrying over the Newsmax to find some way to frame the positive job numbers coming out tomorrow. I am sure they will have some obscure measurement.

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[StingerNLG]

Lol...nothing connies hate more than good news for america. By the way, just heard chevy volt starting up production a week earlier because of March demand? Any confirmation of this?

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That's the best answer you got huh? It does prove my point though, thank you.

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[AirFlacco]

Of course Smith is the founder but Young expanded what Smith
said. Young also said Smith was pure. The Bible says only
Christ was pure. The BOM is a supplement to the Bible. I even
heard one guy on TV say it is the only inspired supplement
to the bible.

Young taught that faithful Mormons can achieve godhood: "Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God,

Also, Mormons are in Utah and out west today because they were run out of town in New York for having multiple wives.
That was simply an excuse for Smith to indulge in adultery. Congress had to pass a law out lawing polygamy because of Mormons and even today many former Mormons still practice polygamy in communes. Mormons started it in this country.

Again, that makes it a cult.

[NCRAVEN]

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Of course Smith is the founder but Young expanded what Smith
said. Young also said Smith was pure. The Bible says only
Christ was pure.

And you're saying to a certainty the Young meant it the same way the bible does?

In fact, Mormons are in Utah and out west today because they were run out of town in New York for having multiple wives.
That was simply an excuse for Smith to indulge in adultery. Congress had to pass a law out lawing polygamy because of Mormons and even today many former Mormons still practice polygamy in communes. Mormons started it in this country.

You are 100% incorrect. They went out west for being persecuted for their beliefs on the way when a guy would die, another man would take care of his family including.. his wife.

And people who practice polygamy and say they are Mormons are radical people who say that to justify muiltpile wives. Mainstream Mormonism condones it.

Again, that makes it a cult and I know you don't know what the Bible says about it to compare the two.

Sorry Air, but you have no idea what I know, and it's clear you know not what you speak. IMO, you're practicing a little bit of religious intolerance yourself.

[Galen Sevinne]

Sorry Air, but you have no idea what I know, and it's clear you know not what you speak. IMO, you're practicing a little bit of religious intolerance yourself.

Trap intolerant? No way!

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[NCRAVEN]

He's awfully cozy with Paul Ryan lately. Obama is opening larger margins in many of the swing states, with women voters and independents. New job data looks good again and the lowest new jobless claims in four years will bolster the economic recovery news. Without some catastrophe, Romney will need a hail mary for a VP. Last time you guys went for the hail mary, you all came up with the biggest joke candidate in the history of american politics. The only demographic Romney appeals to are the old white men.

You all better start scurrying over the Newsmax to find some way to frame the positive job numbers coming out tomorrow. I am sure they will have some obscure measurement.

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G, you know damn well it is far to early to predict what will happen in November.

Also I know you've never answered the question, so I'll try again when the jobs numbers are released and unemployment is a seasonally adjusted 8.3%, what happens when you take out the seasonal adjustment?

[Galen Sevinne]

G, you know damn well it is far to early to predict what will happen in November.

Also I know you've never answered the question, so I'll try again when the jobs numbers are released and unemployment is a seasonally adjusted 8.3%, what happens when you take out the seasonal adjustment?

Ah the seasonal adjustment is a standard measurement. It has been used every year in the same manner. So when unemployment was over 8% for Reagan it was still adjusted. Its a relative measurement. With the economy starting to hum now, more people will jump in the labor market and even with qtr. of a million jobs added
Unemployment could still rise.

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[AirFlacco]

I'm saying to a certainty that Young said Smith was pure and the Bible says only Christ was pure. Everything I said was true.

Mormons were run out of town for what they believed and their polygamy. Congress passed polygamy laws because of them. Mormons went to war vs the US Army over
it. President Buchanan sent the Army to dismantle Mormonism.

According to your definition, the church of Satan is a religion when its an occult. Now look carefully at the pics of the Mormon temple with all the Satanic symbols in the structure of the building including it's most powerful symbol, the inverted star. It also has Baaal's Sun God in it who God admonished.

This also makes Mormonism a cult.



http://www.mormonoutreach.org/pagan_...lt_symbols.php

[AirFlacco]

Oh, and you were sure wrong about the BOM. Since its beginning, Mormonism has viewed the Bible with suspicion. Smith said there were ignorant translators designing and corrupt priests making errors. The BOM mocks the Bible as the lone scripture guide and even says there cannot be any more Bible. So it is an addition.

And don't forget this. This corrupt writing of the Bible also led to the corruptness and death of the Churh. According to modern LDS, the Mormon is the only true church. So while you are defending them as a religion, they are saying our church is dead. They also believe that
Jesus came to the US and witnessed to its inhabitants after the resurrection. The Bible
does not teach this. He went straight to heaven.

Even early Mormon apostle Orson Pratt believed the Bible was marred and could not be trusted. Many Christians believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible and that it is
inerrant.

Christians believe the Garden of Eden of the Bible was in the fertile end of the Persian Gulf.

Mormon Doctrine, p. 20 says it was in Jackson County, Missouri.



In 1965 Walter Martin wrote a book called Kingdom of the Cults and he lumped Mormonism
in with groups like new religious movements, including major groups such as Christian Science, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Jehovah's Witnesses, Islam, Theosophy, Buddhism, the Bahá'í Faith, Unitarian Universalism, Scientology, and minor groups including various New Age and Eastern religions. The book covers each group's history and teachings, and contrasts them with those of mainstream Christianity.[1] It has been criticized by some members of those faiths, particularly Mormons, upset that their faiths were labeled "cults".

Notice he listed Buddhism and Islam as cults too.


JESUS SAID FALSE PROPHETS AND TEACHERS WILL COME IN MY NAME.

[NCRAVEN]

Ah the seasonal adjustment is a standard measurement. It has been used every year in the same manner. So when unemployment was over 8% for Reagan it was still adjusted. Its a relative measurement. With the economy starting to hum now, more people will jump in the labor market and even with qtr. of a million jobs added
Unemployment could still rise.

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Thank you for finally answering that. Whether people are counted or not as part of the seasonal adjustment they are still unemployed.

[NCRAVEN]

I'm saying to a certainty that Young said Smith was pure and the Bible says only Christ was pure. Everything I said was true.

Mormons were run out of town for what they believed and their polygamy. Congress passed polygamy laws because of them. Mormons went to war vs the US Army over
it. President Buchanan sent the Army to dismantle Mormonism.

According to your definition, the church of Satan is a religion when its an occult. Now look carefully at the pics of the Mormon temple with all the Satanic symbols in the structure of the building including it's most powerful symbol, the inverted star. It also has Baaal's Sun God in it who God admonished.

This also makes Mormonism a cult.



http://www.mormonoutreach.org/pagan_...lt_symbols.php

Air your history is a little off. Polygamy was stopped by the church before congress tried to stop those laws not because of them.

And Bud, seriously I have to laugh at you a little at comparing those symbols to satanic symbols. You're trying to say those stars are pentagrams?

That link starts off wrong from the beginning. Mormons don't use the cross not because they don't acknowledge death, there are several reason but that isn't one of them.

[HoustonRaven]

SC Governor Nikki Haley being considered for Veep ....

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...golden-bullet/

[NCRAVEN]

Oh, and you were sure wrong about the BOM. Since its beginning, Mormonism has viewed the Bible with suspicion. Smith said there were ignorant translators designing and corrupt priests making errors. The BOM mocks the Bible as the lone scripture guide and even says there cannot be any more Bible. So it is an addition.

II was not wrong, I said they don't have their own bible which was your claim. And they view the bible with "suspicion" because the meeting (can't remember what is called right now) where they decided what books to put in the bible and which ones not to. So they view it more as incomplete than anything

And don't forget this. This corrupt writing of the Bible also led to the corruptness and death of the Churh. According to modern LDS, the Mormon is the only true church. So while you are defending them as a religion, they are saying our church is dead. They also believe that

All churches say that. Just like YOU are not acknowledging their religion saying it's a cult.

Jesus came to the US and witnessed to its inhabitants after the resurrection. The Bible
does not teach this. He went straight to heaven.

I am not saying this did or did not happen, but just cause the bible doesn't teach it doesn't mean it did or did not happen.

Even early Mormon apostle Orson Pratt believed the Bible was marred and could not be trusted. Many Christians believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible and that it is
inerrant.

Believe? So it's possible they could be wrong, right?

Christians believe the Garden of Eden of the Bible was in the fertile end of the Persian Gulf.

Again they believe, so it's possible they could be wrong...

Air you believe in the bible, you believe what your taught is true. The reason you believe is because you don't KNOW. Part of believing in something is having to acknowledge that what you believe may be right it also could be wrong. That is the problem with religions in general is they are absolutes and anything outside of that is wrong. This is part of the problem HR listed as why the GOP is a fractured party, the hardcore evangelicals have no comprise and if you don't believe what they believe the pickup their toys and go home...