Some love for John Harbaugh

**rharris1986** · 04-13-2012, 04:52 PM

www.NFL.com has ranked the NFL's 32 head coaches. They have John Harbaugh ranked at #5 - behind Belichek, Coughlin, McCarthy and Tomlin. The Ravens have a great head coach and its good to see it recognized at a National level.

**JustaslowZ06** · 04-13-2012, 04:57 PM

Both Reid and Wisenhunt are way too high.

**Ravenswintitle** · 04-13-2012, 05:08 PM

Glad to hear, although not sure who made the list. slightly OT - I hate it when they want me to click over and over. I refuse to do it.

**leachisabeast** · 04-13-2012, 05:14 PM

Sounds reasonable placing for what he's accomplished with this team so far. No one really expected anything when he took this team over, only being a ST coach working with a rookie QB.

I'm not the biggest fans of Elliot Harrison, he likes to suck up to the high market teams a bit too much usually.

**lovefootball** · 04-13-2012, 07:33 PM

Probably was some typo error, they met to say Jim nstead of John. Happens a lot with some announcers. Jim has made a name for himself after coaching up the 49ers last year.

**leachisabeast** · 04-13-2012, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by lovefootball

Probably was some typo error, they met to say Jim nstead of John. Happens a lot with some announcers. Jim has made a name for himself after coaching up the 49ers last year.

Are you trolling?

**goodandfast** · 04-13-2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by lovefootball

Probably was some typo error, they met to say Jim nstead of John. Happens a lot with some announcers. Jim has made a name for himself after coaching up the 49ers last year.

**Corey** · 04-13-2012, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by lovefootball

Probably was some typo error, they met to say Jim nstead of John. Happens a lot with some announcers. Jim has made a name for himself after coaching up the 49ers last year.

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Are you trolling?

Originally Posted by goodandfast

I gotta admit I was thinking the same thing. Harbaugh doesn't get much credit from the media for our success. When they talk about the Ravens success over the last 4 years, I don't think I have ever heard them say "John Harbaugh has done a great job coaching that team". It's like Flacco not getting the credit he deserves because of Rice and the defense. John doesn't get the credit he deserves because of Ozzie and Biscotti. Unlike Flacco, Harbs doesn't seem to care though.

**leachisabeast** · 04-13-2012, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Corey

I gotta admit I was thinking the same thing. Harbaugh doesn't get much credit from the media for our success. When they talk about the Ravens success over the last 4 years, I don't think I have ever heard them say "John Harbaugh has done a great job coaching that team". It's like Flacco not getting the credit he deserves because of Rice and the defense. John doesn't get the credit he deserves because of Ozzie and Biscotti. Unlike Flacco, Harbs doesn't seem to care though.

I actually think Harbaugh is underrated by Ravens fans. Flacco most of the time certainly isn't. But IDK man... I never really hear Ravens fans hyping up Harbaugh all that often, or it could just be me. I think a lot of people dislike his personalty and how he comes across in the media, when it's probably the right way to be anyway.

**alien bird** · 04-13-2012, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Corey

Unlike Flacco, Harbs doesn't seem to care though.

To paraphrase John Wooden, it's amazing what can be accomplished when nobody cares who gets the credit.

**jgar** · 04-14-2012, 07:18 AM

John is a very good coach. He does have a lot of good player on his team. The players have a lot of respect for him and play hard for him. He needs to work on managing the game better. When to use those time outs better. I like him as a person and coach but if he could just get a little better at managing the game he should be rated as a top coach.

**lovefootball** · 04-14-2012, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Corey

I gotta admit I was thinking the same thing. Harbaugh doesn't get much credit from the media for our success. When they talk about the Ravens success over the last 4 years, I don't think I have ever heard them say "John Harbaugh has done a great job coaching that team". It's like Flacco not getting the credit he deserves because of Rice and the defense. John doesn't get the credit he deserves because of Ozzie and Biscotti. Unlike Flacco, Harbs doesn't seem to care though.

Glad to read that I'm not alone when it comes to the media doing what they do best. Hell, in post season this year, one media article said John should take notes on how to run a defense like the one Jim had. WTF, Jim runs the defense? Not a troll. just posting what I think. Just like the rest of you.I met John one day at a jobsite and thanked him for the excitement he has created in Baltimore for the winning ways the Ravens have had since he arrived. This was before the first game, also told him fieldgoals don't beat the steelers and he needed to score touchdowns. Didn't see the game, had to work. Listened to it on the radio and all I could say was WOW. the Ravens kicked their asses.

**pslholder96** · 04-14-2012, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by lovefootball

Probably was some typo error, they met to say Jim nstead of John. Happens a lot with some announcers. Jim has made a name for himself after coaching up the 49ers last year.

So you're ready to vault Jim to the #5 spot based on one year's worth of success versus John's 4 years?

**Corey** · 04-14-2012, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I actually think Harbaugh is underrated by Ravens fans. Flacco most of the time certainly isn't. But IDK man... I never really hear Ravens fans hyping up Harbaugh all that often, or it could just be me. I think a lot of people dislike his personalty and how he comes across in the media, when it's probably the right way to be anyway.

I agree with that. I think once he wins a Superbowl people will soften their stance on him a little bit.

**lovefootball** · 04-14-2012, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

So you're ready to vault Jim to the #5 spot based on one year's worth of success versus John's 4 years?

Not me, Jim comes off as an arrogant A** sometimes, something John wouldn't do. The media would say that Jim is better and has at times. Jim is like Gruden, right place at the right time. Until he drafts and acquires players, original FA move on to other teams, Jim is using the people Singletary put together. Hell, he wanted Manning and was willing to tell starter to sit on the bench. This year John will reach the post season, something Jim might not achieve.

**OriAl** · 04-14-2012, 01:53 PM

John Harbaugh has a problem with end of half and end of game strategy (also over loyal to Cam, but that's another story.) Far too often, he misuses timeouts, failing to take use them when they are available. He also misses important things. he final play of the AFC Championship was a perfect example. Belichik, who seems to observe everything, notices our kicker is rushing onto the field. Harbaugh, with a timeout available, doesn't notice. As a result, the most important FG attempt of the year is rushed, and missed.

There have been other games during his tenure in which the Ravens offense has had the ball, have had time and timeouts, and he's not used them.

Overall, he's a good coach.

**Corey** · 04-14-2012, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by OriAl

John Harbaugh has a problem with end of half and end of game strategy (also over loyal to Cam, but that's another story.) Far too often, he misuses timeouts, failing to take use them when they are available. He also misses important things. he final play of the AFC Championship was a perfect example. Belichik, who seems to observe everything, notices our kicker is rushing onto the field. Harbaugh, with a timeout available, doesn't notice. As a result, the most important FG attempt of the year is rushed, and missed.

There have been other games during his tenure in which the Ravens offense has had the ball, have had time and timeouts, and he's not used them.

Overall, he's a good coach.

This is Harbaugh's first job as a HC. His highest ranking position before this job was a special teams coordinator. He's got a lot to learn and I think it's to much to expect him to be a finished product right away. It's easy to say Belichick observes everything and Harbaugh misses minor details but you fail to realize that Belichick has 16 years of head coaching experience. He didn't become that detail oriented over night. Harbaugh has a long way to go to get there but he's started damn well.

**BcRaven** · 04-14-2012, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Corey

This is Harbaugh's first job as a HC. His highest ranking position before this job was a special teams coordinator. He's got a lot to learn and I think it's to much to expect him to be a finished product right away. It's easy to say Belichick observes everything and Harbaugh misses minor details but you fail to realize that Belichick has 16 years of head coaching experience. He didn't become that detail oriented over night. Harbaugh has a long way to go to get there but he's started damn well.

I can't agree. John H. has been in football all his life. As STeams coordinator, he's observed the game as a professional on the NFL field of battle many times. 2011 was his fourth season as HC of the Ravens. While I like him an awful lot, there are some nuances of the game, which OriaL stated in his post, that he should be more aware of at this time... Bc