Ravens sign Jacoby Jones

[Carey]

I never thought a signing like this would create 5 pages of arguments lol...1) Jones drastically improves the return game 2) Keeps our 50 million dollar corner from returning punts 3) Though he inconsistent as a WR he does offer a downfield element and depth at the position

Imo he wont be the 3rd WR, i think Doss wins the job but if Jones does beat him out i could see him getting about 3 to 5 TD's from the deep ball, couple that with hsi threat as a returner and i say its a win

[GOTA]

You've hit it dead on. The coaching staff knows what the young WRs have to offer and it's quite likely they just aren't ready yet (if ever). Do we need to be reminded that MANY young WRs have failed to develop here? Why will this bunch be better? Not a great move, but OK. Biggest bennie IMHO is that we don't risk Webb returning punts. Jacoby COULD pay for himself on STs.

Why are they waiting now then to sign a WR? I don't even remember any wide receivers visiting the team at the start of free agency. I have no problem with bringing in a veteran for the position. I just don't understand the timing. There were a lot of guys on the market and we didn't seem interested in any of them. Now in a thin market we jump on a guy who has been very disappointing everywhere but special teams. The timing is just weird.

[BigPlayReceiver]

It was a 2 year deal.... Odds are he wont be handed the 3rd Wide reciever role. This move is more for insurance, just in-case no one steps up and snags that 3rd WR role.

Trust me, our young guys are still the front runners for that 3rd WR spot.

I agree with this snipped portion of your post.

[NC Raven]

I don't get this at all, especially for the money. This offseason so far has the feel of a team that's just collecting bodies, with no rhyme or reason. I get that he allegedly returns kicks, and theoretically can catch the ball. Him and fifty million other guys.

Reeks of being a "panic buy." What was the problem he was supposed to solve? Replacing Evans as the overpaid crappy veteran WR?

[Rxdoxx]

Last year I loved the Lee Evans trade. I thought it was exactly what we needed. Obviously I was dead wrong.

I really don't like Jacoby Jones and never have. Hopefully I'm dead wrong again this year

I'm with you on those kinds of thoughts, adding 2 quotes from the Aaron Wilson Article on the front ticker here
http://ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Be...-million-deal-

The Texans cut Jones last week months after he muffed a punt during an AFC divisional playoff loss to the Ravens that led to a Baltimore touchdown. Jones became unpopular in Houston after fumbling twice in that game.

along with this from the same AW article

The 6-foot-2, 212-pound former Texans third-round draft pick should boost a kick return game that struggled last year as David Reed fumbled twice in one game,

That logic is worthy of at least Chico Marx, maybe even Groucho

[GOTA]

I'm with you on those kinds of thoughts, adding 2 quotes from the Aaron Wilson Article on the front ticker here
http://ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Be...-million-deal-




along with this from the same AW article



That logic is worthy of at least Chico Marx, maybe even Groucho

[HoustonRaven]

I like the signing since it fills a need.

But it's a problem for me based on value. That's a lot of money for someone who will be a return specialist and a part-time WR.

[Corey]

How easy is it for the Ravens to get out of this deal? Can they cut him if Doss or whoever beats him out for the third wr spot?

[moose10101]

I'm with you on those kinds of thoughts, adding 2 quotes from the Aaron Wilson Article on the front ticker here
http://ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Be...-million-deal-




along with this from the same AW article



That logic is worthy of at least Chico Marx, maybe even Groucho

Before that game, Jones had a total of 1 fumble/muff in the past two years (none on 78 punt returns).

[mommathurgoesthatman]

Why are they waiting now then to sign a WR? I don't even remember any wide receivers visiting the team at the start of free agency. I have no problem with bringing in a veteran for the position. I just don't understand the timing. There were a lot of guys on the market and we didn't seem interested in any of them. Now in a thin market we jump on a guy who has been very disappointing everywhere but special teams. The timing is just weird.

It makes sense to me. We already have our #1 and #2 WR in Boldin and Smith. Boldin is making decent money already so they are not going to make a big splash in FA for another WR espeically if that WR wont be starting. Cam system does not favor a #3 WR anyway. They have Doss and Williams already on the team, who are both inexperience. So thats makes four WR's they already have on the roster before FA started(2 of them which can play that #3 WR). I think they have a feel for what Williams and Doss both can bring to the table and its safe to say that they were not going to be our punt and kickoff returners this season(Williams will get a chance it preason). So it would make sense for the Ravens to get another speedy explosive WR in the rotation who can also help in the return game. This is why the brought in Ted Ginn JR for a visit. This is why they drafted Streeter( speed and explosivness). Jacoby Jones fit what the Ravens were looking for. A speedy explosive WR who is already a proven returner. They WR grouop is now set for the season.

[BigPlayReceiver]

Before that game, Jones had a total of 1 fumble/muff in the past two years (none on 78 punt returns).

Get out of here with your, your...your FACTS!

[GOTA]

How easy is it for the Ravens to get out of this deal? Can they cut him if Doss or whoever beats him out for the third wr spot?

It depends on the guaranteed money so we just don't know yet.

[B-more Ravor]

I like the signing since it fills a need.

But it's a problem for me based on value. That's a lot of money for someone who will be a return specialist and a part-time WR.

Let's wait and see what the numbers and the structure actually are.

Last year, Bryant McKinnie signed a $7.5M 2-year deal, but it contained a lot of incentives and escalators, so the base deal was under $5M. His first year Cap number was only $1.8M (of which $300K were weight clauses, that I wouldn't expect with Jones) and had they not retained him this March, they would have only had $500K in dead money to carry into this year.

I would expect Jones' deal to look similar - low 2012 Cap number, with incentives and escalators that allow him to get paid well if the Ravens think he's worth it in 2013..

[Raveninwoodlawn]

I don't get this at all, especially for the money. This offseason so far has the feel of a team that's just collecting bodies, with no rhyme or reason. I get that he allegedly returns kicks, and theoretically can catch the ball. Him and fifty million other guys.

Reeks of being a "panic buy." What was the problem he was supposed to solve? Replacing Evans as the overpaid crappy veteran WR?

Considering our disaster last year returning kicks, and the only guy we have that can return punts now is worth $50 million, I'd hardly brush off the return aspect. Reed may not play this year (or at least play up to his standards), and all Zibby did last year was kneel in the end zone or get blown up before he got to the 20. Every time.

[bt12483]

I like the signing since it fills a need.

But it's a problem for me based on value. That's a lot of money for someone who will be a return specialist and a part-time WR.

It won't be $7M. I don't know why people keep thinking it will be. To get $7M he probably would have to have a 1000yd/10TD season.

This deal will likely cost no more than $1.5M in cold hard cash.

How easy is it for the Ravens to get out of this deal? Can they cut him if Doss or whoever beats him out for the third wr spot?

You think the Ravens would intentionally burden themselves? They proposed the contract. I think they know what they are getting out of the deal.

[TheJoeFlaccoShow]

I'm with you on those kinds of thoughts, adding 2 quotes from the Aaron Wilson Article on the front ticker here
http://ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Be...-million-deal-


along with this from the same AW article

That logic is worthy of at least Chico Marx, maybe even Groucho

Slight clarification FWIW....

Jacoby Jones is looking for a fresh start in Baltimore after agreeing to a two-year, $7 million contract with the Ravens, according to the Houston Chronicle.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...ce=twitterfeed

Jones, who had a critical fumbled punt in the Texans playoff loss to the Ravens in January, had become a target of fans and media in Houston to the point where his agent Kennard McGuire asked the club to release him.

Jones is scheduled to be Baltimore's third receiver behind Anquan Boldin and Torrey Smith.

[Corey]

It won't be $7M. I don't know why people keep thinking it will be. To get $7M he probably would have to have a 1000yd/10TD season.

This deal will likely cost no more than $1.5M in cold hard cash.



You think the Ravens would intentionally burden themselves? They proposed the contract. I think they know what they are getting out of the deal.

Fact is your assuming. We don't know anything about the structure of the contract and until we do all those questions are valid.

Do I think the Ravens would intentionally burden themselves? No. They don't intentionally do anything wrong but they do make mistakes from time to time. Dominque Foxworth was a mistake. Lee Evans was a mistake.

[LC_Ravens_87]

I don't want to really beat the horse here but 27 year old Wide Receivers, on the Free Agent market, who are 6'2", averaged 16 yd/reception 2 of the last 3 years, and who are proven returners are more expensive then signing some retread Linemen. They are called skill positions for a reason.

Again Eddie Royal got 3 years and $13.5 million. On the other end Tedd Ginn got 1 year #1.375, but its doubtful how much play he'll get as a WR. I think Jacoby Jones slots in between those two ends of the spectrum in terms of WR/returners who were on the market this offseason.

As for the Fumble in the playoffs, before that Jones hadn't fumbled a punt in 2 seasons on 78 returns. He's never fumbled a kickoff return.

[bt12483]

Fact is your assuming. We don't know anything about the structure of the contract and until we do all those questions are valid.

Not really. If you have even remotely followed ANY contract made in the NFL in the past few years you know the full amount is never guaranteed.

It gets reported at some magical maximum value (by the Agent - imagine that!) which is really just a number on paper that is never realized.

Anyone who honestly thinks he is getting $7M, and that it is evenly split at $3.5M/year, has not followed or paid much attention to the reality of modern day NFL contracts.

Assuming a real world value of ~$1-1.5M is much more realistic than assuming a full $7M guaranteed. History proves my assumption, and contradicts the other one.

So Houston cuts him because he was due to make $3M and we sign him for $3.5M ($7M/2)? No.

[Boulderraven]

I don't want to really beat the horse here but 27 year old Wide Receivers, on the Free Agent market, who are 6'2", averaged 16 yd/reception 2 of the last 3 years, and who are proven returners are more expensive then signing some retread Linemen. They are called skill positions for a reason.
Again Eddie Royal got 3 years and $13.5 million. On the other end Tedd Ginn got 1 year #1.375, but its doubtful how much play he'll get as a WR. I think Jacoby Jones slots in between those two ends of the spectrum in terms of WR/returners
who were on the market this offseason.

As for the Fumble in the playoffs, before that Jones hadn't fumbled a punt in 2 seasons on 78 returns. He's never fumbled a kickoff return.

Exactly. Doss is a possession guy, LaQuan couldn't play at Maryland, and Reed is hurt, and Streeter? When asked Decosta said they took Streeter because he was highest on their board at the end of the SIXTH round. Has potential for deep balls and size, but might not make the team. Then Boldin a 2# really? Slow as sheet, no longer barrells over DB's, drops important passes and was covered in AFCC by Edelman a midget on the games most important drive! Boldin isn't the Boldin of 4-5 years ago or close. I bet Dickson and Pitta are faster. Boldin to me has been a mild disappointment and isnt getting open or younger. It looks like he is aging faster
From years of delivering punishment.