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    Re: Obama about to announce support of marriage rights for all?



    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    I don't think it is this simple for some people. For one, not everyone recognizes the word "marriage" as church bound. I for one have no church affiliation but am married. People grow up with the understanding that they will get married not "civil unioned". When you go to the court house, you get a "marriage certificate".

    I would imagine for a gay person who might have always looked forward to getting "married", it would be somewhat dehumanizing to be told be denied what others that look just like you have access. I still think the best analogy is when african americans were not allowed to ride in the front of the bus. The thinking was that you cna have the rigths to ride a bus but you have to be on the back only. This is degrading. You can be in love, committed and have civil union rights but can't use the word married. Its no different than being told you have to ride on the back of the bus. We frown upon that type of thinking just like we will eventually frown on the civil union type of thinking eventually.

    Obama just showed presidential leadership.
    You're missing the point. He is saying no one gets married except in religious ceremony's regardless of gender, and everyone get's a civil union as far as the government is concerned.

    And if you think Mitt Romney is a flip-flopper consider this:
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ht_644238.html

    And now we know why he changed his mind. Presidential leadership my ass.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...sl8T_blog.html
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    You guys are wrong. You can get legally "married" by a judge without ever stepping into a church or talking with a person of god. The idea that the word "married" is somehow exclusive to church, god or anything religious is simply incorrect.

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    Re: Obama about to announce support of marriage rights for all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    You guys are wrong. You can get legally "married" by a judge without ever stepping into a church or talking with a person of god. The idea that the word "married" is somehow exclusive to church, god or anything religious is simply incorrect.

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    We're are not saying that is how it IS, saying that is how it should be. But before governments starting issuing marriage licenses, where did you go to get married?

    But how about you address the leadership of switching stances for contributions.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    We're are not saying that is how it IS, saying that is how it should be. But before governments starting issuing marriage licenses, where did you go to get married?

    But how about you address the leadership of switching stances for contributions.
    So you think I shouldn't be able to be married? So basically your point is that religion and in this case, christian religion, should regulate all marriages? Or should i have acted like i think there is a god for an hour and endured all the suggestions that we should act good because there is this guy up on a cloud somewhere watching? Or should i go to a judge for whom i respect, and have her marry us in a secular ceremony? Christianity doesn't have have exclusive rights to the word marriage. Truthfully, i am considering changing the wording of our union to exlude "marriage" until everyone can be married equally because I think it is wrong for me to assume a title because of some heterosexual privilege. In fact i would like to start a movement for all people who believe in equality of people to divorce and be "civilly unioned". In time the word marriage will become associated with the bigotry of the good ol christian homophobics. Then they can have the word until it fades into atrophy.

    Obama risks losing votes over this. The gay community knows he has always supported marriage equality and there is nothing romney will verbalize that will be more appealing than Obama's position prior to his interview today. Obama risks losing african american vote of those who have problems with gays. It is certainly more potential to lose votes than gain. Of course, the leadership he has shown to take a controversial but correct position might work for him since romney hasnt taken a postion on anything ever that lasted for more than an election cycle.


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    Yawn.

    Marriage shouldn't even be something the government sanctions. Gay, straight or otherwise. If two consenting adults want to marry, then they should be allowed without government intrusion or approval.

    It's a cheap political trick and the timing of it couldn't be more suspect.
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    Re: Obama about to announce support of marriage rights for all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne View Post
    So you think I shouldn't be able to be married? So basically your point is that religion and in this case, christian religion, should regulate all marriages?
    Nice try. Please go through where anyone is trying to turn this into a debate about Christianity other than you.

    And yet again you're pretending to play stupid. You know damn well I am not saying religion should regulate marriages, but the EXACT OPPOSITE, if people wanted to be recognized in government it needs to be separate. Did you read the thread?


    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Word... Yea, I'm not a fan of government being involved in marriage at all. I think that everyone who wants to and is over 18 should be allowed to hitch up. My compromise is that everyone is civil unioned, and churches and synagogues, and mosques, and what have you will have the option of blessing whichever civil unions they deem appropriate as "marriages."

    That way marriage stays a religious institution and civil partnership (and the civil benefits like taxes and rights to make medical decisions in an emergency) are available to everyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Pretty much where I am too. I might add that civil unions don't have to be just for same-sex couples. Not everyone is religious, and not EVERY religion won't marry same-sex couples. So if we were to take your approach (and pretty much mine) it's not a separate but equal thing, it's religion is separate, not the privileges (if any apply).

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Exactly! All couples get civil unions in order to be legally bound, get tax benefits, receive vet spouse benefits, etc, and then the religious folks can take their civil union papers to a church and get it turned into a marriage. Or not.

    It seems so stupidly simple and obvious that I'm sure no one in power will think of it for at least a couple more election cycles.




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    Re: Obama about to announce support of marriage rights for all?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Yawn.

    Marriage shouldn't even be something the government sanctions. Gay, straight or otherwise. If two consenting adults want to marry, then they should be allowed without government intrusion or approval.

    It's a cheap political trick and the timing of it couldn't be more suspect.
    Exactly!

    The war on women, the dog-gate - pick anything, it's to be about anything other than his record and the economy.




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    If it's a political trick then that implies that legal same-sex marriage has popular support, which implies that all politicians should embrace the same view. I think Republicans wasted an opportunity to get on the right side of this issue over the last 3 years while Obama "evolved".

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    Re: Obama about to announce support of marriage rights for all?

    Quote Originally Posted by chicagoravensfan View Post
    If it's a political trick then that implies that legal same-sex marriage has popular support, which implies that all politicians should embrace the same view. I think Republicans wasted an opportunity to get on the right side of this issue over the last 3 years while Obama "evolved".

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    It's a political trick to raise campaign money, the links above show that. Not to pander to the evolved view. The view is evolving BUT it's not there yet. Recent California and North Carolina votes show that.




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    Re: Obama about to announce support of marriage rights for all?

    Romney is vs it just like a good Mormon.

    Meanwhile, OBY loses 41% of the W. VA presidential primary to an inmate and he's even qualified to have a delegation at the DEMs convention just for getting 15% of it and he's in jail.

    So much for leadership. Voters in W. VA almost prefer an inmate.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Electio...federal-inmate
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    Re: Obama about to announce support of marriage rights for all?

    Give kudos to Gawker. They are calling the Prez's BS.

    They accurately point out the nuance in his stance. He's hardly supporting it as a "right". He's saying they "should" be allowed to marry. Galen pulled the trigger too soon.

    http://gawker.com/5909002/barack-oba...e-announcement
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    Re: Obama about to announce support of marriage rights for all?

    Now this is leadership Galen.



    Man, talk about Palin being confused and this is a Harvard grad.
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    Q: “Let me ask you, let me interrupt and ask you a very quick follow-up question. Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?”

    OBAMA: “No. I don't. I--I—I…”

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    Kudos to the Hamster. This thread is blowing up in Galen's face.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ht_644238.html
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